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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;cdc, post: 1447400, member: 33641&quot;]Detecto: &quot;genuine&quot; means bad? Now that&#039;s a good one.</p><p><br /></p><p>Dhwiz: Blahhhh, looks dirty AFTER cleaning. Hate to see what it looked like before.</p><p><br /></p><p>GDJMSP: Those are good points. My personal opinion would be:</p><p>1) If even a microscopic layer of metal has been removed - it&#039;s cleaned. But if a layer of dirt, etc. which was NOT a part of the original coin is removed, then it hasn&#039;t been cleaned.</p><p>2) If the metal finish of the coin has been altered - it&#039;s been cleaned. If you remove the dirt, but leave the metal AS-IS then it has not been &quot;cleaned&quot;. If the dirt has become part of the metal in the coin, then removing the dirt WOULD constitute cleaning the coin.</p><p>3) If the water / Toluene / Acetone does ANYTHING to change the metal of the coin, it has been cleaned. That includes toning, spots, etc.</p><p>4) I read in &quot;The coin collector&#039;s survival guide&quot; of people toning coins to cover hairlines. Boy, this game gets pretty tricky!</p><p><br /></p><p>Me being cynical, it&#039;s almost like if you pay book value, then EXPECT a cleaned coin. If you want what is REALLY described in redbook (not cleaned / no problems), then expect to pay double.</p><p><br /></p><p>Well, that really stinks about TPG&#039;s slabbing coins that have those things done to them. So they can TELL, but pass them through anyhow? Say WHAT? I saw one ~1797 dollar on TV that TPG&#039;s said &quot;whizzed&quot;, another that said &quot;improperly cleaned&quot;, another said &quot;marks or something&quot;. I can accept that because, while graded, they are being honest about the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>I discovered a buffing wheel in my teens. Boy, that did a great job on all my wheaties! Better still, the buffing residue acted as a layer against oxidation and the coin stayed incredibly shiny. Who would want a bunch of dirty old coins when they polish up so well? The innocence of youth.</p><p><br /></p><p>So what about the coin link I posted? There is no .92 in the ID number.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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