Does it grade? 1864 S $10 Liberty

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  1. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    This coin was brought to us to be certified. I think the coin goes details, but I thought it would be fun to see what you guys thought about this uber rare coin.

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    LostDutchman, Dec 11, 2014
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  3. jwitten

    jwitten Well-Known Member

    I'll say yes, since it is so rare
     
    jwitten, Dec 11, 2014
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  4. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    No way. I Could maybe overlook the Obverse neck as a "hit", but the Reverse is just too clearly a large scratch, and smaller scratches /gouges in various places.
     
    geekpryde, Dec 11, 2014
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  5. Owle

    Owle Junior Member

    You've got a shot, maybe XF40 on a really good day, express or walkthrough may be best. ICG too may let it go as XF as an important rarity that needs to be in a protective holder. It is certainly their prerogative to net down as the buyer will see what the problems are.
     
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  6. Yankee42

    Yankee42 Well-Known Member

    Details but when you're dealing with a coin that expensive I think any buyer would want it slabbed.

    R-9 survival estimate 24! And it just waltzed right in.
     
    Yankee42, Dec 11, 2014
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  7. bsowa1029

    bsowa1029 Franklin Half Addict

    I would label it details.
    And wow! @Yankee42 only 24 have made it through the years, that's amazing!
     
    bsowa1029, Dec 11, 2014
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  8. Yankee42

    Yankee42 Well-Known Member

    That's the coin facts estimate anyway.
     
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  9. Owle

    Owle Junior Member

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  10. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    Yeah, there is hope.
     
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  11. Yankee42

    Yankee42 Well-Known Member

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  12. Owle

    Owle Junior Member

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  13. medoraman

    medoraman Well-Known Member

    I would say if its a generic $10 no way it slabs, but given the date its a coin flip. I have seen worst rare coins get slabbed, in all likelihood because its rare and brings prestige to the slabber to have it in their holder.
     
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  14. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    I'd call it VF details, but with a coin on the high side of five figures, I'd want it in a slab details or not.

    Really though, as rare as it is, this is not a coin in such demand that the graders would want it in their slab at the cost of grading it improperly. I say it gets a details slab, but hoping for the best for the owner of this cool piece.
     
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  15. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

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  16. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Despite the obvious marks, I think the coin has too much going for it - uniform wear, some retained luster, nice color, and rarity - to not receive a value grade. Why? Because, while Genuine and Details designations exist primarily to protect the ignorant, typical buyers of coins this rare are already market savvy, and understand how to assign value to such items.

    Now if the coin possessed a downright offensive look - polished, bent, holed - then I'd say it belonged in a Genuine or Details holder. Nope, I vote that it gets in . . .
     
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  17. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    My guess is no. I might excuse one or the other, but not both.
     
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  18. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    I guess no; not at a straight grade.
     
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  19. Owle

    Owle Junior Member

    XF45 is not out of the question in which case it could be a $100K coin!
     
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  20. coinman1234

    coinman1234 Not a Well-Known Member

    XF Details Harshly Cleaned. You should grade it, it is so rare that even being cleaned it is worth being graded due to rarity.
     
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  21. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    It hasn't been cleaned.
     
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