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<p>[QUOTE="Ken Dorney, post: 3701930, member: 76086"]Sure. To start, the style itself is completely off. I'm going to ignore the reverse for this comparison. Here is a genuine example on the left and the fake on the right:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]992084[/ATTACH] </p><p>Most of the portraits of Otho from Antioch are all very similar in style. When looking at them side by side the difference is very obvious. The nose is wrong, the chin and cheeks are strangely round, the laurels not consistent with known types, the wreath tie was done a bit heavy handed and should be more refined. But have a closer look at the inscription. I took the most obvious portion for my example: </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]992085[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>The first part of the inscription, IMP M OTHO started out half convincing, but by the second half it got progressively worse. Note how the letters change, from somewhat decent to much heavier and thicker due to a general lack of skill. Especially note the letters ..G TR..They are especially heavy and and end abruptly and sharply. This is a textbook representation of the use of an electric rotary tool to carve the letters.</p><p><br /></p><p>I do give them some credit for producing a somewhat convincing patina, but that is just simple chemistry. Nevertheless, one can sometimes see hints of artificial patina:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]992086[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>In this image you can see some broken patina on the edge where it has abraded away. While this is also possible with a genuine coin, in this case it just lends evidence of a forgery. New patina often does not adhere to the surface of the coin very well, and in many cases if in hand one can break it off with a fingernail.</p><p><br /></p><p>At first I thought this might be struck or pressed, but the nifty zoom feature on Ebay lets us see some details not discernible in the smaller photo. In the above photo there seems to be a lot of casting pearls.</p><p><br /></p><p>Some may think I am giving up some secrets and helping the forgers, but any good forger already knows this and would not produce such a bad fake. A fake of this type is more often seen offered to dealers salted into a larger group of genuine coins. </p><p><br /></p><p>One of the most powerful tools one can use when they are suspicious is simple comparison. Check out a sellers other items, and also closed sales. Do they all have similarities? Do they all look a bit odd or off? If so you generally with have the answer.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Ken Dorney, post: 3701930, member: 76086"]Sure. To start, the style itself is completely off. I'm going to ignore the reverse for this comparison. Here is a genuine example on the left and the fake on the right: [ATTACH=full]992084[/ATTACH] Most of the portraits of Otho from Antioch are all very similar in style. When looking at them side by side the difference is very obvious. The nose is wrong, the chin and cheeks are strangely round, the laurels not consistent with known types, the wreath tie was done a bit heavy handed and should be more refined. But have a closer look at the inscription. I took the most obvious portion for my example: [ATTACH=full]992085[/ATTACH] The first part of the inscription, IMP M OTHO started out half convincing, but by the second half it got progressively worse. Note how the letters change, from somewhat decent to much heavier and thicker due to a general lack of skill. Especially note the letters ..G TR..They are especially heavy and and end abruptly and sharply. This is a textbook representation of the use of an electric rotary tool to carve the letters. I do give them some credit for producing a somewhat convincing patina, but that is just simple chemistry. Nevertheless, one can sometimes see hints of artificial patina: [ATTACH=full]992086[/ATTACH] In this image you can see some broken patina on the edge where it has abraded away. While this is also possible with a genuine coin, in this case it just lends evidence of a forgery. New patina often does not adhere to the surface of the coin very well, and in many cases if in hand one can break it off with a fingernail. At first I thought this might be struck or pressed, but the nifty zoom feature on Ebay lets us see some details not discernible in the smaller photo. In the above photo there seems to be a lot of casting pearls. Some may think I am giving up some secrets and helping the forgers, but any good forger already knows this and would not produce such a bad fake. A fake of this type is more often seen offered to dealers salted into a larger group of genuine coins. One of the most powerful tools one can use when they are suspicious is simple comparison. Check out a sellers other items, and also closed sales. Do they all have similarities? Do they all look a bit odd or off? If so you generally with have the answer.[/QUOTE]
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