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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;GDJMSP, post: 3001669, member: 112&quot;]Well we&#039;re certainly in agreement on that much ! And of course that includes what they tell their customers about the grades of their coins. </p><p><br /></p><p>So your point, and my point, is that they lie to their customers. But ya know what, they don&#039;t lie about everything. They don&#039;t lie about the authenticity of coins, if it&#039;s a fake they tell you it&#039;s fake - at least when they know when it&#039;s a fake. And, they don&#039;t lie about dipping the coins either. They know for an absolute fact that it&#039;s a good thing when it needs done. And it&#039;s only been a few years they have even offered this cleaning service that they charge you for. But that doesn&#039;t mean they didn&#039;t know about it years ago. They have always known it - everybody has. And in fact they even did it years ago - but they didn&#039;t charge you for it back then ! They just went ahead and did it ! Matter of fact there&#039;s still one TPG who STILL does do it for free !</p><p><br /></p><p>Now I suppose you want proof that too, huh ? Well OK, how about this ?</p><p><br /></p><p><i>PCGS and NGC Dipping Coins</i></p><p><i><br /></i></p><p><i>The Professional Coin Grading Service and the Numismatic Guaranty Corporation</i></p><p><i>&nbsp;have confirmed that they have been dipping coins upon request. The coins are</i></p><p><i>&nbsp;not marked on the slab as cleaned.</i></p><p><i><br /></i></p><p><i>References: Numismatic News, 8 Aug 1995, p. 1; Coin World, 18 Sep 1995,</i></p><p><i>&nbsp;p. 1, 7.</i></p><p><i><br /></i></p><p>Please make note of the dates for those publications, just 8 and 9 years respectively after the companies came into existence. And at the same please realize this knowledge was know for some years before those publications. But there was so much talk about it at the time that the leading numismatic publications decided to ask the TPGs directly and have them confirm what everybody already knew. </p><p><br /></p><p>Bottom line, they&#039;ve always done it. And not only that, it was way beyond commonplace long before anyone ever even thought of creating the TPGs.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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