Do you Consider a Dipped Coin to Be Cleaned?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by physics-fan3.14, Feb 17, 2018.

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Do you Consider a Dipped coin to be Cleaned?

  1. No

    4 vote(s)
    3.8%
  2. No, it has been conserved

    5 vote(s)
    4.7%
  3. Yes

    30 vote(s)
    28.3%
  4. Yes, but it is market acceptable

    16 vote(s)
    15.1%
  5. If done properly, a dipped coin is not a problem at all

    39 vote(s)
    36.8%
  6. I will never buy a dipped coin!

    5 vote(s)
    4.7%
  7. Dipping is a problem when it is improperly done

    24 vote(s)
    22.6%
  8. Dipping is a problem when it is done too much

    9 vote(s)
    8.5%
  9. Dipping is a problem when a coin starts to develop unattractive secondary toning

    7 vote(s)
    6.6%
  10. I've had enough Bourbon that I don't care

    10 vote(s)
    9.4%
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  1. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title] Supporter

    If you take a coin and look at it under a powerful enough microscope...and then dip that coin and look at it again I will admit you might be able to see some minor difference based on comparing that coin's individual characteristics. But, if I handed you a coin with full mint luster and asked you if you could tell me if it had been dipped or not...the answer would be a flat no. There is no way to tell.

    That was my point.
     
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  3. rmpsrpms

    rmpsrpms Lincoln Maniac

    Problem is your point is incorrect. Have you tried? It doesn't take very long to view a few original coins, then a few dipped coins, and you'll know what to look for.
     
  4. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title] Supporter

    How do you know the “originals” haven’t been dipped?
     
  5. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Exactly, there’s a difference between 1800s original and original since 1980s but they’ll look identical
     
  6. rmpsrpms

    rmpsrpms Lincoln Maniac

    As far as originality is concerned, I generally only trust original/unopened bank rolls to give 100% original coins. Most other coins are suspect.
     
  7. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title] Supporter

    So moderns then. If one is determined to avoid dipped coins then those would be your only option anyway.
     
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  8. rmpsrpms

    rmpsrpms Lincoln Maniac

    Are you saying that all older coins have been dipped? I can't believe that. What a shame it would be if greed and lack of a spirit of stewardship led the numismatists of the past and of today to destroy our country's numismatic heritage!

    What I do believe is that there are quite a lot of coins left that are original and un-molested. At least I hope so.
     
  9. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    They didn't destroy anything, that's why you're so unaware at how many really have been dipped over the years because its not detectable when done properly
     
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  10. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Have you seen the coins in the National Numismatic Collection of the Smithsonian?

    The goals of collectors have changed over the last couple of centuries. Today, the idea of "originality" is king. We want coins that haven't been tampered with. In yesteryear, they wanted coins that were bright and shiny - and so many of the coins in even the finest collections were cleaned to brighten them up. The mindset has changed over the last hundred years. That's why, when people like Doug claim that a very significant number of coins have been cleaned or dipped, I can absolutely believe him. The philosophy of collecting coins has changed - we are only observers of history.

    I do believe that there are a lot of coins which escaped molestation. But I'm also realist enough to know that many coins didn't.

    I do, however, believe that the in-favor-of-dipping crowd overestimates the number of coins dipped.
     
  11. rmpsrpms

    rmpsrpms Lincoln Maniac

    I hope you are right!


    Keep up that mantra and sip that Kool Aid slowly!
     
  12. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title] Supporter

    I would have thought that you the self proclaimed person who can identify any and all coins that have been dipped should know this already. I'd type my own response...but @baseball21 is right on the nose. So instead of typing myself I will just quote him:

     
  13. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    I do consider dipping to be cleaning, but I chose that it's market acceptable. I also chose "dipping is a problem when it's improperly done".
     
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  14. KSorbo

    KSorbo Well-Known Member

    I may be speaking for the majority of collectors when I say that I could really care less whether my coins have been dipped at one time or another. If a TPG says they are market acceptable, that’s good enough for me. I understand that a lot of classic coins have had, heaven forbid, even a light abrasive cleaning and have been deemed gradable after retoning. But I don’t care about that either. As long as my coins don’t look like they have been scrubbed with a Brillo pad and can make it into a straight graded holder, I’m happy.

    I have a feeling that a lot of coins would be ugly dogs if truly original. But none of them have been on tracked on video for the past 100+ years so we really have no idea what has or hasn’t been done to them. So I’d rather not argue about it and just enjoy them if they look decent.
     
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  15. 352sdeer

    352sdeer Collecting Lincoln cents for 50 years!

    My response to this is what happens IF dipped coins become not market acceptable? Then a lot of people are screwed! It COULD happen.
    Reed and Sparkles the Unicorn.
     
  16. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title] Supporter

    Again. How can you prove a specific coin has been dipped? You can’t so no...it can’t happen.

    When I say that I am not talking about over or improperly dipped coins.
     
  17. 352sdeer

    352sdeer Collecting Lincoln cents for 50 years!

    The TPG’s know the difference! I don’t do silver for that exact reason, I can’t tell.
    Reed and Sparkles the Unicorn.
     
  18. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title] Supporter

    The TPGs can’t tell if a coin has been properly dipped or not unless they dipped it.
     
  19. 352sdeer

    352sdeer Collecting Lincoln cents for 50 years!

    Ok if you say but they look at dipped coins every day so I’m sure they have more experience that us. Plus who calls a coin market acceptable for what reason? They do! So they know. But you are correct dipped correctly and only a few times and you and I can’t tell with X5 mag. But if I look at it under my microscope it’s a little different view and crazing is crazing and it’s only caused one way copper or silver no difference. B93ECD2F-D91A-4349-B139-0C4A27893A1D.jpeg
    Reed and Sparkles the Unicorn.
     
  20. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    I can’t imagine any market where lusterous eye appealing coins are considered a bad thing.
     
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  21. 352sdeer

    352sdeer Collecting Lincoln cents for 50 years!

    You know how it goes if some day they CAN tell it was dipped or laser treated then luster won’t matter and the coin will come back details. Just a thought. But I agree if you like it and you put it in your collection then that’s cool it your collection do what makes you happy!
    Reed and Sparkles the Unicorn.
     
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