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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 2700399, member: 19463"]Today's mail brought four coins I bought as a group lot. I don't usually go for lots when they are illustrated only with one photo showing a pile of one sided coins but This one had a coin I really hoped was what I wanted and three that looked decent so I put in a bid and won. It turned out that the one I hoped would be what I wanted was not but the group certainly brought up some points I believe could be of interest to new collectors who have asked how select their next coin. One way is to let the fates make the decision for you and buy a group lot.</p><p><br /></p><p>I cheated. After collecting these things for a long time I was able to identify the side that did not show on three of the four. The one I missed was the one I wanted. It still is a decent coin but one no one wanted. All four are common coins and really have no connection that might make them desirable for a specialist. The lot would seem best for a new collector who would be unlikely to have any of them and who would like to have some things for a general collection of common coins. All these are common. </p><p><br /></p><p>After they arrived I accidentally found one of the coins (the exact specimen) online. It turned out that all four failed to sell in a European auction that some of the people here believe to be a good source. New collectors may find it interesting to ask why these did not sell last November when offered singly but why I found the group wort owning even if I could only see one side. </p><p>[ATTACH=full]607664[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>First is an antoninianus of Tacitus from the Lugdunum mint that was shown in the photo by the reverse PAX PVBLICA. It looked well struck so I could only hope the obverse was also. Lugdunum tends to have decent workmanship so I got about what I expected. Nice beard. The coin failed to sell with a starting price of 80% of the 75 pound estimate (plus 15% , + postage). I would not pay that much for it either. Would you?</p><p>[ATTACH=full]607665[/ATTACH] </p><p> </p><p>Next is a decent example of the Trier mint Constantinopolis Commemorative which failed to sell for 30 pounds (plus the same fluff). I don't think many people looking for a coin like this patronize big deal auctions and this one just was not something that appealed to the bidders. Is it worth 30 pounds? Not to me. </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]607666[/ATTACH] </p><p>Third is an AE3 of Crispus from the London mint with the vota altar reverse. I am a little surprised no one wanted it because many UK collectors like coins from London mint and this one is is well struck. You even can see the details on the lobe on the reverse. I guess this one is just so common (RIC C3) that everyone has a handful and the estimate of 50 pounds was nothing they found attractive. I liked the large flan and the way the shield was only half cut in the die. It might look better if on a smaller flan. Adding nothing but something I find interesting that new collectors need to learn is the dot in the middle of I and S on the reverse. You will not find this listed in the catalogs because it is just a central dot in the die that was used to lay out the circle of dots. There was one of these on every die made but 99% of designs have something (portrait, figure) in the middle of the die that erased it. The dot remains only con coins that have a space in the middle. Every so often we have someone declare that this makes their coin a rare and unlisted variety. Nope. I would not have paid 50 pounds here either so it is no surprise that it went unsold. </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]607667[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>The last coin is the one I thought I wanted. The cataloger said it was Trier mint and I wanted the type with two victories but no column because of the overstruck coin I showed here last week. This is a nice coin just not the right coin. I was shocked when I saw that the solo estimate on the coin was 150 pounds (plus fluff would be a minimum bid of over $190US). The coin simply is not that nice. Even if it did not have that edge irregularity -- even if it did not have extra deposits .... really? On the other hand, the portrait is quite decent (not barbarous) and fits my collection quite nicely. </p><p><br /></p><p>As a lot the four were started at $60 but hammered at $110 which works out to $34 each postpaid. You will pay extra if you want to select your coins from the high end material. If what you want are some decent looking coins you can show people who know nothing and don't mind the fact that they are common, perhaps you should check out the bulk lots offered by some auctions. Just be smarter than I was and identify what is included correctly. I might add that some sellers would place the good side up in such a group trying to fool the fools who bid in their sales. That works just once. </p><p><br /></p><p>Show your bulk lot purchases and sight unseen coins. You wouldn't be willing to send a hundred dollars to someone and say, "Buy me something I'd like." Or would you? That would take all the fun out of it but bulk lots can be fun if you retain a little control over what they contain.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 2700399, member: 19463"]Today's mail brought four coins I bought as a group lot. I don't usually go for lots when they are illustrated only with one photo showing a pile of one sided coins but This one had a coin I really hoped was what I wanted and three that looked decent so I put in a bid and won. It turned out that the one I hoped would be what I wanted was not but the group certainly brought up some points I believe could be of interest to new collectors who have asked how select their next coin. One way is to let the fates make the decision for you and buy a group lot. I cheated. After collecting these things for a long time I was able to identify the side that did not show on three of the four. The one I missed was the one I wanted. It still is a decent coin but one no one wanted. All four are common coins and really have no connection that might make them desirable for a specialist. The lot would seem best for a new collector who would be unlikely to have any of them and who would like to have some things for a general collection of common coins. All these are common. After they arrived I accidentally found one of the coins (the exact specimen) online. It turned out that all four failed to sell in a European auction that some of the people here believe to be a good source. New collectors may find it interesting to ask why these did not sell last November when offered singly but why I found the group wort owning even if I could only see one side. [ATTACH=full]607664[/ATTACH] First is an antoninianus of Tacitus from the Lugdunum mint that was shown in the photo by the reverse PAX PVBLICA. It looked well struck so I could only hope the obverse was also. Lugdunum tends to have decent workmanship so I got about what I expected. Nice beard. The coin failed to sell with a starting price of 80% of the 75 pound estimate (plus 15% , + postage). I would not pay that much for it either. Would you? [ATTACH=full]607665[/ATTACH] Next is a decent example of the Trier mint Constantinopolis Commemorative which failed to sell for 30 pounds (plus the same fluff). I don't think many people looking for a coin like this patronize big deal auctions and this one just was not something that appealed to the bidders. Is it worth 30 pounds? Not to me. [ATTACH=full]607666[/ATTACH] Third is an AE3 of Crispus from the London mint with the vota altar reverse. I am a little surprised no one wanted it because many UK collectors like coins from London mint and this one is is well struck. You even can see the details on the lobe on the reverse. I guess this one is just so common (RIC C3) that everyone has a handful and the estimate of 50 pounds was nothing they found attractive. I liked the large flan and the way the shield was only half cut in the die. It might look better if on a smaller flan. Adding nothing but something I find interesting that new collectors need to learn is the dot in the middle of I and S on the reverse. You will not find this listed in the catalogs because it is just a central dot in the die that was used to lay out the circle of dots. There was one of these on every die made but 99% of designs have something (portrait, figure) in the middle of the die that erased it. The dot remains only con coins that have a space in the middle. Every so often we have someone declare that this makes their coin a rare and unlisted variety. Nope. I would not have paid 50 pounds here either so it is no surprise that it went unsold. [ATTACH=full]607667[/ATTACH] The last coin is the one I thought I wanted. The cataloger said it was Trier mint and I wanted the type with two victories but no column because of the overstruck coin I showed here last week. This is a nice coin just not the right coin. I was shocked when I saw that the solo estimate on the coin was 150 pounds (plus fluff would be a minimum bid of over $190US). The coin simply is not that nice. Even if it did not have that edge irregularity -- even if it did not have extra deposits .... really? On the other hand, the portrait is quite decent (not barbarous) and fits my collection quite nicely. As a lot the four were started at $60 but hammered at $110 which works out to $34 each postpaid. You will pay extra if you want to select your coins from the high end material. If what you want are some decent looking coins you can show people who know nothing and don't mind the fact that they are common, perhaps you should check out the bulk lots offered by some auctions. Just be smarter than I was and identify what is included correctly. I might add that some sellers would place the good side up in such a group trying to fool the fools who bid in their sales. That works just once. Show your bulk lot purchases and sight unseen coins. You wouldn't be willing to send a hundred dollars to someone and say, "Buy me something I'd like." Or would you? That would take all the fun out of it but bulk lots can be fun if you retain a little control over what they contain.[/QUOTE]
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