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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;johnmilton, post: 3499900, member: 101855&quot;]I don&#039;t have any Mint State Hard Times tokens that have much red on them. These coins do have sort of a cartwheel luster, but it’s really more of a frosty luster that has some cartwheel characteristics. This piece is graded MS-64, brown. Remember, these pieces were not made by the U.S. Mint.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]927311[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]927312[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>To address the concept of color, here is an 1820 large cent that has a lot of original red. This piece is graded MS-65, Red &amp; Brown. The color is there, but it has mellowed a bit as you would expect it to be on an almost 200 year old coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]927319[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]927321[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>The color on this mostly brown 1857 large cent is peaking though in spots. This is how it should look, blended with the rest of surface of the coin. These differences are subtle and hard to explain with photos, but learning them is very important if you are going to buy more expensive copper coins. This coin has not been graded. My grade is MS-65, Brown.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]927323[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]927324[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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