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<p>[QUOTE="Publius2, post: 6487952, member: 105571"]This thread has been covering a lot of topics centered around the OP's coin and question but I would like to try to address [USER=73489]@GoldFinger1969[/USER] 's questions as it relates to 19th century coins:</p><p><br /></p><p>First of all, die polish was used to both create new dies and to refurbish old dies, for both business strikes and proofs. The preparation of planchets and dies for proofs, including polishing, was more intensive and exacting than it was for business strikes.</p><p><br /></p><p>Having said that, it is important to understand that it is impossible to make a single general statement about 19th century proof dies. For some dates and issues, proof dies were sometimes used for business strikes and, more rarely, vice versa. You have to know the details of the individual coin to make any determination.</p><p><br /></p><p>My resources on LS half dimes (the books by Al Blythe and Kevin Flynn) have this to say:</p><p><br /></p><p>- there were 15 dies used to strike the 1873 no arrows half dimes (unclear if this included proof dies or not).</p><p><br /></p><p>- there were 600 half dimes minted as part of the "Silver Sets" prior to the April 1, 1873 abolition of the half dime and LS Dollar.</p><p><br /></p><p>- Per Blythe: "Many of the 600 proofs were melted along with some business strikes in July 1873. There is no estimate of the survivors."</p><p><br /></p><p>- Per Flynn (Not specifying proofs or business strikes): "I have seen specimens where the entire obverse die has very pronounced die polish lines."</p><p><br /></p><p>- Per Will W. Neil in The Numismatist ca, 1927: "No. 2...struck with broken or badly scratched obverse die. Many faint hairline scratches encircle Liberty and heavier ones, which appear as faint breaks, connect D of UNITED and Liberty's head to rim."</p><p><br /></p><p>- Per Valentine: "Var. 2 Rev. Right end of ribbon is just clear. Proof" Op's coin matches this description. but Obverse more closely matches Var. 1 which is a business strike, I think.</p><p><br /></p><p>So, is there any conclusion from this? Not a firm conclusion but IMHO, the look of the coin, the lack of wire rims, the heavy die lines, plus what little attribution data I could find lead me to believe that this is a business strike. The fact that the heavy die lines persist along with a PL appearance of the fields makes me think that this obverse strike was one of the first off a newly polished V1 business strike obverse die and that the reverse die is one of the re-purposed proof dies.</p><p><br /></p><p>Obviously I cannot prove this contention and I would love seeing some additional hard data or informed opinion.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Publius2, post: 6487952, member: 105571"]This thread has been covering a lot of topics centered around the OP's coin and question but I would like to try to address [USER=73489]@GoldFinger1969[/USER] 's questions as it relates to 19th century coins: First of all, die polish was used to both create new dies and to refurbish old dies, for both business strikes and proofs. The preparation of planchets and dies for proofs, including polishing, was more intensive and exacting than it was for business strikes. Having said that, it is important to understand that it is impossible to make a single general statement about 19th century proof dies. For some dates and issues, proof dies were sometimes used for business strikes and, more rarely, vice versa. You have to know the details of the individual coin to make any determination. My resources on LS half dimes (the books by Al Blythe and Kevin Flynn) have this to say: - there were 15 dies used to strike the 1873 no arrows half dimes (unclear if this included proof dies or not). - there were 600 half dimes minted as part of the "Silver Sets" prior to the April 1, 1873 abolition of the half dime and LS Dollar. - Per Blythe: "Many of the 600 proofs were melted along with some business strikes in July 1873. There is no estimate of the survivors." - Per Flynn (Not specifying proofs or business strikes): "I have seen specimens where the entire obverse die has very pronounced die polish lines." - Per Will W. Neil in The Numismatist ca, 1927: "No. 2...struck with broken or badly scratched obverse die. Many faint hairline scratches encircle Liberty and heavier ones, which appear as faint breaks, connect D of UNITED and Liberty's head to rim." - Per Valentine: "Var. 2 Rev. Right end of ribbon is just clear. Proof" Op's coin matches this description. but Obverse more closely matches Var. 1 which is a business strike, I think. So, is there any conclusion from this? Not a firm conclusion but IMHO, the look of the coin, the lack of wire rims, the heavy die lines, plus what little attribution data I could find lead me to believe that this is a business strike. The fact that the heavy die lines persist along with a PL appearance of the fields makes me think that this obverse strike was one of the first off a newly polished V1 business strike obverse die and that the reverse die is one of the re-purposed proof dies. Obviously I cannot prove this contention and I would love seeing some additional hard data or informed opinion.[/QUOTE]
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