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<p>[QUOTE="Insider, post: 7932539, member: 24314"]<i>Dear Gam, </i></p><p><i><br /></i></p><p><i>I'll repeat this so it sinks in: You can throw away your scales, hand-held's and hand lenses. </i></p><p><br /></p><p>Gam3rBlake, posted: "That’s not always true. One of the dealers I went to in Florida was able to identify several fake American Silver Eagles with a scale.</p><p><br /></p><p>They weighed 28.8 grams instead of 31.1 and since they were all in BU condition they wouldn’t have lost over 2 grams of silver in wear and tear.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I’m not saying they will identify every counterfeit out there. Obviously that isn’t the case.</p><p><br /></p><p>But I find having a scale, calipers, and neodymium magnet to be the first line of defense in detecting fake</p><p><br /></p><p><i>Most importantly they can all be used as non-invasive tests.</i></p><p><i><br /></i></p><p>These days people are actually faking ASEs <i>in </i>NGC slabs graded MS70.</p><p><br /></p><p>Sometimes it’s kinda funny because they have scratches all over and are still faked as MS70." </p><p><br /></p><p>Unfortunately there is no way to defend my comment without coming off as a jerk; nevertheless, I have found that except for some long-time specialist dealers and collectors who MAY often know more about what they collect than many long time experienced authenticators at a TPGS, most dealers know swat. Slabbed coins guarantee that any good business person can be a successful coin dealer.</p><p><br /></p><p>As for your example using SE, before your dealer got it on his balance the experienced authenticator would have know it was bad 99% of the time. EVENTUALLY, this may not be true but we are not there yet! </p><p><br /></p><p>One of the biggest waste of times for me is to take a crappy, across the room fake and place it on the scale so I can write the low weight of the fake on the flip in order to prevent any controversy. </p><p><br /></p><p>So you keep your scale, magnet, and other tools, as <b><span style="color: #b30000">I believe EVERYONE should have them. I do. </span></b> I just don't find them very useful anymore. There is a much bigger Boogieman coming.</p><p><br /></p><p>PS The only magnetic fakes I've seen were gifts that were so crude looking that I would not embarrass any of my students by asking if the thing were genuine. Nevertheless, I do understand that the average person in the US has never seen a Peace Dollar and the Internet is full of "Ex-Perts" scaring everyone with crude magnetic reproductions. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Insider, post: 7932539, member: 24314"][I]Dear Gam, I'll repeat this so it sinks in: You can throw away your scales, hand-held's and hand lenses. [/I] Gam3rBlake, posted: "That’s not always true. One of the dealers I went to in Florida was able to identify several fake American Silver Eagles with a scale. They weighed 28.8 grams instead of 31.1 and since they were all in BU condition they wouldn’t have lost over 2 grams of silver in wear and tear. I’m not saying they will identify every counterfeit out there. Obviously that isn’t the case. But I find having a scale, calipers, and neodymium magnet to be the first line of defense in detecting fake [I]Most importantly they can all be used as non-invasive tests. [/I] These days people are actually faking ASEs [I]in [/I]NGC slabs graded MS70. Sometimes it’s kinda funny because they have scratches all over and are still faked as MS70." Unfortunately there is no way to defend my comment without coming off as a jerk; nevertheless, I have found that except for some long-time specialist dealers and collectors who MAY often know more about what they collect than many long time experienced authenticators at a TPGS, most dealers know swat. Slabbed coins guarantee that any good business person can be a successful coin dealer. As for your example using SE, before your dealer got it on his balance the experienced authenticator would have know it was bad 99% of the time. EVENTUALLY, this may not be true but we are not there yet! One of the biggest waste of times for me is to take a crappy, across the room fake and place it on the scale so I can write the low weight of the fake on the flip in order to prevent any controversy. So you keep your scale, magnet, and other tools, as [B][COLOR=#b30000]I believe EVERYONE should have them. I do. [/COLOR][/B] I just don't find them very useful anymore. There is a much bigger Boogieman coming. PS The only magnetic fakes I've seen were gifts that were so crude looking that I would not embarrass any of my students by asking if the thing were genuine. Nevertheless, I do understand that the average person in the US has never seen a Peace Dollar and the Internet is full of "Ex-Perts" scaring everyone with crude magnetic reproductions. ;)[/QUOTE]
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