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<p>[QUOTE="Gallienus, post: 3083451, member: 42034"]Replying to the OP;</p><p><font size="6"><u>Do 21st Century Coin Collecting Methods Drive Prices Down and Hurt our Hobby?</u></font></p><p>I believe that they can. I'll share my perception and an experience which led me to leave US coin collecting.</p><p><br /></p><p>I love US Liberty Seated coinage and back years ago in the 70's and 80's found virtually every denomination while in high school (including a 20 cent piece: bought for $1.35, 75-S, vg). After finishing grad school I decided to work on a ms type set & really wanted Seated Dollars (reg issues 1840 - 65/ with motto 1866-73).</p><p><br /></p><p>I recall <b>Proof</b> seated dollars being very available but true unc business strike ones were hard for me to find except for low end uncs of the hoard years: 1859-O and 1860-O. I was able to buy other coins in slabbed 64 but I believe that every NGC or PCGS-63 Seated Dollar that wasn't downright ugly was cracked out and resubmitted endlessly to the grading services until it could make a 64 slab and a $20K price tag. As I posted elewhere, I did find <u>One</u> attractive raw specimen in the late 80's or early 90's (an 1844) but the relatively high price tag for the time scared me too much.</p><p><br /></p><p>Also I noted that a large fraction of the Seated Dollars I ran across had been "dipped" by the crude methods of the 80's or seemed cleaned.</p><p><br /></p><p>Once I even was trying to evaluate a piece in an auction and they passed me off to a "coin expert" to help answer my questions. It was Q. David Bowers in person. We talked for 20-30 minutes and he tried to help me grade seated dollars.</p><p><br /></p><p>I think a trend like this may exist for any US coin type characterized by a sharp gradient and higher prices between grades. Also there wasn't a real community like there may be for Colonials or for early US copper which can have a similar price vs condition gradient.</p><p><br /></p><p>Thus the dealer practice of constant reslabbing or cleaning in search of a better slab grade led me to not buy any Seated Dollar. I really wasn't looking for a particular slab grade but was looking for a particular appearance in the coin. Disappointed I eventually left US coin collecting as it involved too many years with too little reward (not one single coin).</p><p><br /></p><p>I ended up moving to more appealing World Coins of certain countries and Ancients which are a much smaller and less expensive market. However, I am happy to see the weakening in prices in USA coins and while I'll never be a big buyer of such, if I ever have a lot of surplus money, I might try to pick up a few nicely appearing US pieces.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Gallienus, post: 3083451, member: 42034"]Replying to the OP; [SIZE=6][U]Do 21st Century Coin Collecting Methods Drive Prices Down and Hurt our Hobby?[/U][/SIZE] I believe that they can. I'll share my perception and an experience which led me to leave US coin collecting. I love US Liberty Seated coinage and back years ago in the 70's and 80's found virtually every denomination while in high school (including a 20 cent piece: bought for $1.35, 75-S, vg). After finishing grad school I decided to work on a ms type set & really wanted Seated Dollars (reg issues 1840 - 65/ with motto 1866-73). I recall [B]Proof[/B] seated dollars being very available but true unc business strike ones were hard for me to find except for low end uncs of the hoard years: 1859-O and 1860-O. I was able to buy other coins in slabbed 64 but I believe that every NGC or PCGS-63 Seated Dollar that wasn't downright ugly was cracked out and resubmitted endlessly to the grading services until it could make a 64 slab and a $20K price tag. As I posted elewhere, I did find [U]One[/U] attractive raw specimen in the late 80's or early 90's (an 1844) but the relatively high price tag for the time scared me too much. Also I noted that a large fraction of the Seated Dollars I ran across had been "dipped" by the crude methods of the 80's or seemed cleaned. Once I even was trying to evaluate a piece in an auction and they passed me off to a "coin expert" to help answer my questions. It was Q. David Bowers in person. We talked for 20-30 minutes and he tried to help me grade seated dollars. I think a trend like this may exist for any US coin type characterized by a sharp gradient and higher prices between grades. Also there wasn't a real community like there may be for Colonials or for early US copper which can have a similar price vs condition gradient. Thus the dealer practice of constant reslabbing or cleaning in search of a better slab grade led me to not buy any Seated Dollar. I really wasn't looking for a particular slab grade but was looking for a particular appearance in the coin. Disappointed I eventually left US coin collecting as it involved too many years with too little reward (not one single coin). I ended up moving to more appealing World Coins of certain countries and Ancients which are a much smaller and less expensive market. However, I am happy to see the weakening in prices in USA coins and while I'll never be a big buyer of such, if I ever have a lot of surplus money, I might try to pick up a few nicely appearing US pieces.[/QUOTE]
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