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<p>[QUOTE="Insider, post: 3298094, member: 24314"]ddddd, posted: "It would be easier to just teach people to focus on eye appeal. A circulated example can be nicer than an uncirculated example. <b>A 58 can be better than a 60.</b> One doesn’t need to change the scale but rather the way of interpreting the scale (and it is already seen as quite a few collectors will pay more for a 58 than a 60 or even a 63)."</p><p><br /></p><p>A <span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">TRUE</span> AU-58 coin is just as nice as an MS-64 or 65! Much better than ANY low MS coin. That's one problem, apparently some don't know what an AU-58 should look like. </p><p><br /></p><p>Jaelus, posted: "Case in point. <b>Stuck on wear and standards being infallible</b> (means incapable of being wrong since you seem confused). [<i><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">Actually there are a few here who may not understand English! Two of them <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie5" alt=":confused:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> think some posters here think anyone believes "infallible" applies to grading.</span></i><b>] Wear is not special</b>! Get that through your head and it will open your eyes to the correctness of market grading. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie57" alt=":jawdrop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><i><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">I agree, "Friction Wear" is not special. It is commonly found on coins graded as MS by TPGS's. That's because if you see it on a coin the coin is not Mint State. Most professional numismatists see it, wink, and ignore it.</span></i></p><p><br /></p><p>"<b>Standards</b> are replaced by newer better versions that depreciate the old set of standards in many industries. You guys act like that can't happen, but it can and does."</p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)"><i>It appears we are back to the meaning of words in the English language. I think this is less confusing and makes more sense: "</i><b><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">CUSTOMS</span></b><i> are replaced by newer better versions that depreciate the old set of </i><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">practices</span><i> in many industries." </i></span></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>baseball21, posted: "All areas where "standards" have changed over the years, or should we build planes based off the standards of the middle ages, how about space travel based off of Roman engineering standards?"</p><p><br /></p><p>The simple fact of the A-Z alphabet even existing was a change from the previous language standard. This idea that I learned something so it can never ever change is very dangerous and holds back knowledge...</p><p>Guess we should go back to segregation, allowing actual cocaine in sodas, believing the earth was flat as well among other things because after all that was the standard so it must be correct right?"</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie20" alt=":banghead:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie20" alt=":banghead:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie98" alt=":wacky:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie96" alt=":vomit:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie103" alt=":yack:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie103" alt=":yack:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie103" alt=":yack:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie103" alt=":yack:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> <i><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">Unfortunately, not one thing you gave as an example of a "standard" is!</span></i> <i><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)"> Lot's of things evolve, especially language, beliefs, methods of doing something with new inventions, and laws governing folks.</span></i></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> baseball21, continued: Just to elaborate a little more <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> the thing a lot of people don't seem to be realizing or are intentionally ignoring is that EVERY standard that has been mentioned [<i><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">NOTHING MENTIONED WAS A STANDARD OF ANYTHING!</span></i>] was a change from previous standards. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie20" alt=":banghead:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie20" alt=":banghead:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>The grading standards</b> [<i><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">Now you are on track <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie50" alt=":happy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span></i>]of the 70s that some are championing or even prior was a change from before as coin collecting is MUCH older than anyone alive, the A-Z alphabet was a change from previous languages, a foot was not always the standard of measurement [<i><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">until someone thought it up and AFAIK it has remained the same since. Now that is a true "standard"</span></i>] and it goes on and on and on and on. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><i><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">Please don't.</span></i></p><p><br /></p><p><i><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">Oh well</span></i>: "The only things that have never changed throughout history is that everyone dies, everyone was born, everyone needs oxygen, everyone needs liquids, and everyone needs to eat. [<i><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">the previous has nothing to do with the thread but it is something we all can finally agree on!]</span></i> Aside from that every standard [<i><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">Custom, usage, method, belief, etc. BUT NOT A <b>TRUE STANDARD</b></span></i>] has either changed or was a change from the previous one.</p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)"><i>I think you<b> can make a case</b> that there was a change in the standard way of timekeeping when they changed the calendar long ago and added minutes.</i></span></p><p><br /></p><p>TypeCoin971793, posted:</p><p><br /></p><p><b><u><font size="6"><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 102)">Condition: a coin’s state of preservation.</span></font></u></b></p><p><b><u><font size="6"><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 102)">Grade: A numerical or symbolic notation to easily communicate the coin’s condition.</span></font></u></b></p><p><b><u><br /></u></b></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 102)"><i><b><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">Best answer <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie26" alt=":bookworm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> now someone <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie33" alt=":cigar:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> please put this thread to rest.</span></b> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></i></span></p><p><i><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 102)"><br /></span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 102)"><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">Not really, I hope everyone is enjoying this discussion and all the knowledgeable folks commenting.</span></span></i>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Insider, post: 3298094, member: 24314"]ddddd, posted: "It would be easier to just teach people to focus on eye appeal. A circulated example can be nicer than an uncirculated example. [B]A 58 can be better than a 60.[/B] One doesn’t need to change the scale but rather the way of interpreting the scale (and it is already seen as quite a few collectors will pay more for a 58 than a 60 or even a 63)." A [COLOR=rgb(179, 0, 0)]TRUE[/COLOR] AU-58 coin is just as nice as an MS-64 or 65! Much better than ANY low MS coin. That's one problem, apparently some don't know what an AU-58 should look like. Jaelus, posted: "Case in point. [B]Stuck on wear and standards being infallible[/B] (means incapable of being wrong since you seem confused). [[I][COLOR=rgb(179, 0, 0)]Actually there are a few here who may not understand English! Two of them :confused: think some posters here think anyone believes "infallible" applies to grading.[/COLOR][/I][B]] Wear is not special[/B]! Get that through your head and it will open your eyes to the correctness of market grading. :jawdrop::facepalm: [I][COLOR=rgb(179, 0, 0)]I agree, "Friction Wear" is not special. It is commonly found on coins graded as MS by TPGS's. That's because if you see it on a coin the coin is not Mint State. Most professional numismatists see it, wink, and ignore it.[/COLOR][/I] "[B]Standards[/B] are replaced by newer better versions that depreciate the old set of standards in many industries. You guys act like that can't happen, but it can and does." [COLOR=rgb(179, 0, 0)][I]It appears we are back to the meaning of words in the English language. I think this is less confusing and makes more sense: "[/I][B][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]CUSTOMS[/COLOR][/B][I] are replaced by newer better versions that depreciate the old set of [/I][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]practices[/COLOR][I] in many industries." [/I][/COLOR] baseball21, posted: "All areas where "standards" have changed over the years, or should we build planes based off the standards of the middle ages, how about space travel based off of Roman engineering standards?" The simple fact of the A-Z alphabet even existing was a change from the previous language standard. This idea that I learned something so it can never ever change is very dangerous and holds back knowledge... Guess we should go back to segregation, allowing actual cocaine in sodas, believing the earth was flat as well among other things because after all that was the standard so it must be correct right?" :banghead::banghead: :rolleyes::rolleyes::wacky::vomit::yack::yack::yack::yack: [I][COLOR=rgb(179, 0, 0)]Unfortunately, not one thing you gave as an example of a "standard" is![/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=rgb(179, 0, 0)] Lot's of things evolve, especially language, beliefs, methods of doing something with new inventions, and laws governing folks.[/COLOR][/I] :rolleyes: baseball21, continued: Just to elaborate a little more :( the thing a lot of people don't seem to be realizing or are intentionally ignoring is that EVERY standard that has been mentioned [[I][COLOR=rgb(179, 0, 0)]NOTHING MENTIONED WAS A STANDARD OF ANYTHING![/COLOR][/I]] was a change from previous standards. :banghead::banghead::facepalm: [B]The grading standards[/B] [[I][COLOR=rgb(179, 0, 0)]Now you are on track :happy:[/COLOR][/I]]of the 70s that some are championing or even prior was a change from before as coin collecting is MUCH older than anyone alive, the A-Z alphabet was a change from previous languages, a foot was not always the standard of measurement [[I][COLOR=rgb(179, 0, 0)]until someone thought it up and AFAIK it has remained the same since. Now that is a true "standard"[/COLOR][/I]] and it goes on and on and on and on. :([I][COLOR=rgb(179, 0, 0)]Please don't.[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=rgb(179, 0, 0)]Oh well[/COLOR][/I]: "The only things that have never changed throughout history is that everyone dies, everyone was born, everyone needs oxygen, everyone needs liquids, and everyone needs to eat. [[I][COLOR=rgb(179, 0, 0)]the previous has nothing to do with the thread but it is something we all can finally agree on!][/COLOR][/I] Aside from that every standard [[I][COLOR=rgb(179, 0, 0)]Custom, usage, method, belief, etc. BUT NOT A [B]TRUE STANDARD[/B][/COLOR][/I]] has either changed or was a change from the previous one. [COLOR=rgb(179, 0, 0)][I]I think you[B] can make a case[/B] that there was a change in the standard way of timekeeping when they changed the calendar long ago and added minutes.[/I][/COLOR] TypeCoin971793, posted: [B][U][SIZE=6][COLOR=rgb(102, 0, 102)]Condition: a coin’s state of preservation. Grade: A numerical or symbolic notation to easily communicate the coin’s condition.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [/U][/B] [COLOR=rgb(102, 0, 102)][I][B][COLOR=rgb(179, 0, 0)]Best answer :bookworm: now someone :cigar: please put this thread to rest.[/COLOR][/B] :D[/I][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=rgb(102, 0, 102)] [COLOR=rgb(179, 0, 0)]Not really, I hope everyone is enjoying this discussion and all the knowledgeable folks commenting.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/I][/QUOTE]
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