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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Bob Evancho, post: 3297976, member: 84595&quot;]The ORIGINAL post by JCro57:</p><p>Though many feel these terms are synonymous and are used interchangeably, there is a difference between them, correct?</p><p>&quot;Condition&quot; refers to the <i><b>state </b></i>a coin is in: Fine, Very Good, Mint State, Extra Fine, etc.</p><p>The &quot;Grade&quot; refers to the numerical score out of 70 on the ANA-modified version of the Sheldon Scale.</p><p>Thus MS62 = Mint State condition, graded 62/70 on the Sheldon Scale.</p><p>The exception is a proof coin which really isn&#039;t a &quot;condition&quot; but a specially-prepared planchet, though they can be graded obviously (PR69).</p><p>Do I have this right? </p><p>My opinion is still the same.&nbsp; They are not synonymous since condition means much more than GRADE.&nbsp; It means the physical problems of the coin.&nbsp; Is the wear on a coin leading to its GRADE a physical problem?&nbsp; Grade doesn&#039;t cover rim nicks, holes, corrosion and a host of other problems.&nbsp; It only covers the amount of wear on a coin and in the case of the Big Boy TPG&#039;s the amount of marks on the coin.&nbsp; That is a condition.&nbsp; I believe all coins from 1 to 69 should be details Graded and the condition mentioned.&nbsp; I&#039;ve said this in another post.&nbsp; </p><p>I also agree what the moderator has said above.&nbsp; If you are the right BIG BOY dealer sending a coin into the BIG BOY TPGS, you can be assured your coin will get a straight grade MS. Maybe many remember the 1888-O VAM 4 that started life as an AU-58 and after conservation and a few resubmissions&nbsp; became an MS-61 and if I&#039;m in error, a 62. Look at my properly details graded SEGS AU-58 1893-s posted on page 4 of this thread and look at the PCGS pictures on the top of&nbsp; page 4.&nbsp; My coin has less obverse marks and properly noted spot on reverse rim.&nbsp; Although it is larger than the SPOTS on the reverse of the PCGS picture, my coin has full but uncleaned luster on the reverse and full breast feathers.&nbsp; I&#039;m sure if this coin was submitted by a BIG BOY dealer to a BIG BOY TPG it could be graded MS 62 even though there is rub on the cheek.&nbsp; CONDITION means much more than GRADE.&nbsp; I&#039;m sure those dealers and collectors like me say to buy the coin not the holder.&nbsp; Buy based on what you grade the coin and what you determine the condition is.&nbsp; BUY and collect coins by eye appeal, not what a TPG suggests. It is amazing there is 11 GRADES of MS.&nbsp; Look at that spot or spots.&nbsp; Look at those marks.&nbsp; I have 5 or more GRADING guides.&nbsp; Not 5 or more CONDITION guides.&nbsp; CONDITION can be liberally termed GRADE but much more including WEAR, SCRATCHES, GOUGES, RIM NICKS, and a host of other DAMAGE.&nbsp; OH, and my opinion is SEGS has the best holder in the industry and the best variety and error authentication.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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