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<p>[QUOTE="Jaelus, post: 3296912, member: 46237"]Apples and oranges.</p><p><br /></p><p>He's talking about the numismatic definition of damage. I'm talking about the dictionary definition of damage - physical harm caused to something in such a way as to impair its value. If it makes it less confusing for you somehow, then replace "damage" with "harm" when reading my posts in this thread.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Is there anyone here who is seriously going to argue that wear does not physically harm a coin in such a way as to impair its value? If not, then you agree that wear is damage.</b></p><p><br /></p><p>I am using the dictionary definition of damage to correlate surface issues like wear with other surface issues like bag marks to show that they are much the same. People get hung up on wear being special and they lose sight of this simple fact. Wear is not special. Wear is damaging to the coin, just like other marks considered to be acceptable.</p><p><br /></p><p>Anything that happens to the coin that causes an impairment is fundamentally damage. The only difference is whether or not we classify that type of damage as being normal (acceptable but affects grade) or abnormal (details the coin). And why do we classify different types of damage this way - because of how the different types of damage affect eye appeal.</p><p><br /></p><p><i>I find it surprising that though many people here take the position that "toning is damage" and throw that phrase all over the place; people are mysteriously not confused by it.</i> And yet, wear is much more damaging to a coin's surfaces than toning is, and people have a problem with applying that term here. That's a big double standard. Unlike light toning that can be dipped off without issue, wear always damages the surfaces and is plain to see.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Jaelus, post: 3296912, member: 46237"]Apples and oranges. He's talking about the numismatic definition of damage. I'm talking about the dictionary definition of damage - physical harm caused to something in such a way as to impair its value. If it makes it less confusing for you somehow, then replace "damage" with "harm" when reading my posts in this thread. [B]Is there anyone here who is seriously going to argue that wear does not physically harm a coin in such a way as to impair its value? If not, then you agree that wear is damage.[/B] I am using the dictionary definition of damage to correlate surface issues like wear with other surface issues like bag marks to show that they are much the same. People get hung up on wear being special and they lose sight of this simple fact. Wear is not special. Wear is damaging to the coin, just like other marks considered to be acceptable. Anything that happens to the coin that causes an impairment is fundamentally damage. The only difference is whether or not we classify that type of damage as being normal (acceptable but affects grade) or abnormal (details the coin). And why do we classify different types of damage this way - because of how the different types of damage affect eye appeal. [I]I find it surprising that though many people here take the position that "toning is damage" and throw that phrase all over the place; people are mysteriously not confused by it.[/I] And yet, wear is much more damaging to a coin's surfaces than toning is, and people have a problem with applying that term here. That's a big double standard. Unlike light toning that can be dipped off without issue, wear always damages the surfaces and is plain to see.[/QUOTE]
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