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<p>[QUOTE="Insider, post: 3296620, member: 24314"]JCro57, asked: "So, if I may, can I ask again if Condition and Grade are the same thing or do they have different meanings?"</p><p><br /></p><p>I appears that the answer to your question depends on who you ask. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Jaelus, posted: "...Having two grading scales is <b>silly</b>."</p><p><br /></p><p><i><b>It sure is</b>! And anyone who says there are actually TWO GRADING SCALES in the commercial coin market is...ah, never mind. OTHERWISE, you may be <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie103" alt=":yack:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie103" alt=":yack:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie103" alt=":yack:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie103" alt=":yack:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />about the often heard opinion that there is a different grading system for certain coins and certain people.</i> </p><p><br /></p><p>"A lot of people get hung up on <i><b>wear</b></i>. Why? [<b><i><span style="color: #b30000">Do you think that perhaps it is because the ORIGINAL definition for MS or UNC plus the modern definition of MS on the PCGS website uses the word: W E A R?" <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie20" alt=":banghead:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie20" alt=":banghead:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie20" alt=":banghead:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span></i></b>] <b>Wear is damage just like anything else.</b> Who cares if the damage is from a bag mark or a tiny bit of rub? Both are conditions that affect the surfaces. The relevant measure of a coin's [<b><span style="color: #b30000">COMMERCIAL</span></b>] grade is eye appeal. End of story. <i>[...and the continuation of the flawed FICTION perpetrated on us by the coin dealers . Perhaps you would take the time to explain to all the less knowledgeable folks here the difference between a contact mark and friction on a surface.]</i></p><p><br /></p><p>Ignore the condition description for a moment and just look at the number. <i><b>It just doesn't make any sense</b></i> that <span style="color: #660066">a 70 with a microdot of rub suddenly drops down to a 58</span>, while a 70 that gets banged around for a month gets a 62."</p><p><br /></p><p><i>In the present system, <span style="color: #660066">50%</span> of what you stated DOES NOT OCCUR. What does occur is a large number of MS coins with obvious evidence of PMD are STILL GRADED 70! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> That's the eye-appeal system you and others adore. That's the system where pretty AU's are commonly graded MS. Something to think about for the "fanboys:" You better pray that things don't ever change and your AU's drop back to AU! A similar thing has already been happening to slabs. Coins with a <b><span style="color: #006600">green bean</span></b> are worth more than those w/o. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie57" alt=":jawdrop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie85" alt=":smuggrin:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> </i>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Insider, post: 3296620, member: 24314"]JCro57, asked: "So, if I may, can I ask again if Condition and Grade are the same thing or do they have different meanings?" I appears that the answer to your question depends on who you ask. :D Jaelus, posted: "...Having two grading scales is [B]silly[/B]." [I][B]It sure is[/B]! And anyone who says there are actually TWO GRADING SCALES in the commercial coin market is...ah, never mind. OTHERWISE, you may be :yack::yack::yack::yack:about the often heard opinion that there is a different grading system for certain coins and certain people.[/I] "A lot of people get hung up on [I][B]wear[/B][/I]. Why? [[B][I][COLOR=#b30000]Do you think that perhaps it is because the ORIGINAL definition for MS or UNC plus the modern definition of MS on the PCGS website uses the word: W E A R?" :facepalm::banghead::banghead::banghead:[/COLOR][/I][/B]] [B]Wear is damage just like anything else.[/B] Who cares if the damage is from a bag mark or a tiny bit of rub? Both are conditions that affect the surfaces. The relevant measure of a coin's [[B][COLOR=#b30000]COMMERCIAL[/COLOR][/B]] grade is eye appeal. End of story. [I][...and the continuation of the flawed FICTION perpetrated on us by the coin dealers . Perhaps you would take the time to explain to all the less knowledgeable folks here the difference between a contact mark and friction on a surface.][/I] Ignore the condition description for a moment and just look at the number. [I][B]It just doesn't make any sense[/B][/I] that [COLOR=#660066]a 70 with a microdot of rub suddenly drops down to a 58[/COLOR], while a 70 that gets banged around for a month gets a 62." [I]In the present system, [COLOR=#660066]50%[/COLOR] of what you stated DOES NOT OCCUR. What does occur is a large number of MS coins with obvious evidence of PMD are STILL GRADED 70! :hilarious::hilarious::hilarious: That's the eye-appeal system you and others adore. That's the system where pretty AU's are commonly graded MS. Something to think about for the "fanboys:" You better pray that things don't ever change and your AU's drop back to AU! A similar thing has already been happening to slabs. Coins with a [B][COLOR=#006600]green bean[/COLOR][/B] are worth more than those w/o. :jawdrop::smuggrin: [/I][/QUOTE]
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