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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Insider, post: 3296448, member: 24314&quot;]TypeCoin971793, posted:&nbsp; &quot;I don’t think that’s it. I think it was to please whiny dealers who wanted their “pristine” coin to get an inflated MS grade rather than a righteous AU grade so they could sell it for more.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>You are correct but I didn&#039;t wish to post that.&nbsp;&nbsp; Major submitters <span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">forced</span> the TPGS&#039;s to get loose.&nbsp; It is an economic thing.&nbsp; It took a year or two of back and forth and switching their business between the top two TPGS!&quot; </p><p><br /></p><p>Pickin and Grinin, posted: &quot;This is damage. Photo straight from a souvenir set.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>I&#039;ve been told that the director of ANACS (in OH) kept a few damaged coins still in original Mint packages/sets to show to people who claimed the damage couldn&#039;t happen from the mint.</p><p><br /></p><p>baseball21, posted: &quot;One thing people should keep in mind is that when it comes to the old days were better posts and how things have gone down hill <b>there are posters defending their careers and legacies at the time</b> and the changes threaten that.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p><i>Please back up this broad-brush statement with NAMES &amp; EXDAMPLES.&nbsp; Otherwise, this is just <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie103" alt=":yack:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie103" alt=":yack:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie103" alt=":yack:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie103" alt=":yack:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie104" alt=":yawn:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></i></p><p><br /></p><p>baseball21, posted: &quot;I may have had you confused with&nbsp; someone that was interested in a real conversation.&quot; </p><p><br /></p><p><i>I have found that it is impossible to have a discussion with anyone who may be uninformed.&nbsp; It would be like an Earthling trying to communicate with a alien from Uranus!&nbsp;&nbsp; </i></p><p><br /></p><p>baseball21 posted: &quot;You quoted the major flaw in the system that I have posted many times including several times in this thread already.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p><i>This is a non-answer.&nbsp; I&#039;m stupid and forgetful.&nbsp; What is the major flaw please? </i></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>baseball21 continued:&nbsp; &quot;Not fluid as in a moving target, fluid as in a real 1-70.</p><p><br /></p><p>I&#039;ve explained multiple times already including in this thread, but I will one last time.</p><p><br /></p><p>According to the old scale and your &quot;precise&quot; system <b><i><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">(WRONG ALREADY!!&nbsp; The present system IS NOT PRECISE, I NEVER SAID IT WAS and that is the PROBLEM with coin grading today and for several previous decades!!&nbsp; &nbsp; The &quot;Technical&quot; Grading system I personally devised for the internal records of ANACS in DC and then use at the FIRST TPGS was precise.&nbsp; <b><i>Clear enough?</i></b>)</span></i></b>&nbsp; that we don&#039;t have a 1-70 scale we have two different scales.&nbsp; We have 1-58+ (or 1-58 before plus grading) and 60-70.&nbsp; The 60-70 scale sits on top of the 1-58+ since they theoretically aren&#039;t supposed to interact or overlap in anyway.&nbsp; It&#039;s basically a factory sealed toy vs one that was opened even if just to look inside.</p><p><br /></p><p>That is an inherently flawed scale when things are getting graded higher that are lower quality because of a hard line.</p><p><br /></p><p>Getting rid of the hard line allows things to get graded where they should be.&nbsp; It&#039;s the only viable solution that has a real chance at the moment.&nbsp; The 1-100 scale could do it with a major overhaul of how numbers are viewed, but that kind of overhaul is dead in the water.&nbsp; The other logical solution would be to just literally have two scales of 1-58+ and then a separate MS scale of 1-58+ and make it really clear they have nothing to do with each other.</p><p><br /></p><p>No actually plenty of people from all aspects of the hobby.&nbsp; Has nothing to do with not enough MS coins going around and everything to do with how silly it is to grade ugly unappealing coins higher than pristine coins based solely on slight friction or not.</p><p><br /></p><p>The elimination of the hard line allows terrible MS coins not bad enough for a details grade to be moved to AU or lower as well, it works both ways.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>We&#039;ve never had a precision system including the old ones and the one you proposed.&nbsp; A truly precision system means that a coin could be looked at with no reference to the past and it grade the exact same every single time.&nbsp; That system does not exist.</b> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie15" alt=":arghh:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie23" alt=":bigtears:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie23" alt=":bigtears:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie23" alt=":bigtears:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie23" alt=":bigtears:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> If a system has to use other means such as looking up a serial number that was marked on the coin or go through pictures to see if the coin was graded before to make sure it gets the same grade the system isn&#039;t precise, it&#039;s just relying on past notes taken on the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>Regardless of what you want to say MS coins would not have graded the exact same 100 percent of the time with your old proposed system or the old systems without cheat sheets. [<i><span style="color: #b30000">ACTUALLY, since you weren&#039;t around, you are forgiven for this unfortunate <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie30" alt=":bucktooth:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie98" alt=":wacky:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> misstatement. You see, there were only TWO GRADES OF UNC - Plus the AU/MS line to worry about.&nbsp; It was very easy to grade coins the same ANYTIME you saw it again. The&nbsp; Director named the system &quot;archival&quot; because it was constant over time and through changing market conditions</span>!]</i> Pure technical grading [<i><span style="color: #b30000">Unfortunately you show you have absolutely no understanding of &quot;Pure Technical Grading]</span></i>has subjective aspect in it and anyone who thinks that they grade the same now as they did 50 years ago or 30 years ago is subject to personal bias and this includes people that couldn&#039;t care less about TPG grading and just stick to raw coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>&quot;There is no system and never has been any system where every single coin will grade the exact same 100 percent of the time.&nbsp; Any system developed will always have borderline coins that can and will go either way and be correctly graded depending on the interpretation of something in the standard.&quot; </p><p><br /></p><p><i>Say, now that&#039;s pure genius. Who would have guessed that?</i></p><p><br /></p><p>Any human that thinks they can have 100 percent &quot;accuracy&quot; in anything for their whole life vastly over estimates their skill.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p><i>Ditto, I don&#039;t know any one like that.</i></p><p><br /></p><p><i>Thanks for your well thought out reply.&nbsp; I think if we were face to face we would find a lot to agree on.&nbsp; Unfortunately, IMO, continuing to post with you <b><span style="color: #b30000">makes me look/feel like a fool.</span></b></i>&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie49" alt=":grumpy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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