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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Insider, post: 3294009, member: 24314&quot;][USER=19165]@physics-fan3.14[/USER] posted a &quot;Best Answer&quot; for &quot;circulated.&quot;&nbsp; His post should be very easy for all of us to understand. IMO, anyone <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie30" alt=":bucktooth:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> who refutes his post is not worth replying to.&nbsp; Unfortunately, I cannot post what I actually think of them.</p><p><br /></p><p>TypeCoin971793, posted:&nbsp; &quot;...But my actions would then have altered the coin so that it is no longer in the same state as it left the mint in. That’s my point.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> P L E A S E, please <span style="color: #ff0000"><b>STOP</b> </span><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie92" alt=":stop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />&nbsp;&nbsp; The only thing your actions are altering is MY MOOD! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie7" alt=":p" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>When you blow on a coin you change the coin and the entire Universe plus the future of mankind on earth for the rest of time!&nbsp; It is not complicated.&nbsp; Things happen to coins that we don&#039;t even know about.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Pickin and Grinin, posted: &quot;I agree with half that statement. Crossing a line that was made to keep an AU coin from being seen as MS. Will be a constant. Wear is wear it doesn&#039;t matter if it happened in Commerce a Collectors Cabinet Drawer or for that matter packaged in a Mint Set. It still should be an AU at best. <span style="color: #ff0000">Fudging this line causes all the confusion</span>, not the know it all&#039;s.</p><p>The so called Know it all&#039;s will do there best to keep the less studious folks from falling into the trap that &quot;is&quot; what Market grading is.</p><p>And, for most part those that disagree with the standards that are aloud today by the TPG&#039;s, lets not forget those in this to only make a profit. Will stick to what is the correct grade and definition for each grade there is.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>While I agree with you, the TPGS control the market.&nbsp; If someone chooses not to play the game, they will be off on their own.&nbsp; That&#039;s both a good and a bad situation.</p><p><br /></p><p>NOW BACK TO THE TOPIC OF THIS DISCUSSION:</p><p><br /></p><p>Bob Evancho, posted: &quot;From the Coin Term Glossary:</p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b><span style="color: #660066">Condition</span></b>: The <span style="color: #ff0000">physical state</span> of a coin.</p><p><b>Grade</b>: Rating which indicates how much a coin has worn from circulation.&nbsp; <span style="color: #ff0000">[WHICH IS DETERMINED BY ITS PHYSICAL STATE - </span><b><span style="color: #660066">ITS CONDITION</span><span style="color: #ff0000">!</span></b><span style="color: #ff0000">]</span>&nbsp; <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie12" alt="o_O" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>See what happens when a bunch of numismatic geniuses <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie30" alt=":bucktooth:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> (not you) end up trying to split hairs to appear intelligent?&nbsp;&nbsp; All they do is show they have not thought things out!&nbsp; Furthermore, they introduce confusion into what should be an extremely simple concept to understand.&nbsp; YN graduates from Grading 101 don&#039;t have this &quot;problem.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Bob continues:&nbsp; &quot;I have yet to go to a coin show, large or small, and show a coin and have the dealer or Learned Numismatist say the coin is in MS-60 CONDITION.&nbsp; They say I would GRADE the coin MS-60.&nbsp; Or it looks like it would GRADE Uncirculated, not it looks like it would CONDITION Uncirculated.&nbsp; Let us say You can have an MS-65 coin with a hole drilled into it and it would Details GRADE MS-65 and it&#039;s CONDITION would be holed. Buy the coin, not the holder.&nbsp; Hmmm, Buy a GRADING Guide Book.&nbsp; Who sells a CONDITION Guide Book?&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>IMO, this comment also needs to be addressed.&nbsp; Since grade and condition mean the same SIMPLE THING, what you say is true.&nbsp; There is no &quot;Condition Guide Book&quot;&nbsp; <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie57" alt=":jawdrop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />&nbsp;&nbsp; However the last part of your post shows a complete misunderstanding between the old technical grading system and modern &quot;details&quot; grading.&nbsp; Using a perfect MS-70 coin with a hole in it, works like this:</p><p><br /></p><p>Technical grade:&nbsp; Gem Uncirculated, hole 12 O&#039;clock.&nbsp; There was no higher grade than 65 at the time and that signified a &quot;Choice Unc&quot; coin.&nbsp; Now 65 = &quot;Gem.&quot; </p><p><br /></p><p>TPGS grade&quot; Uncirculated Details, hole.&nbsp; <span style="color: #b30000">MS range numbers are NOT assigned to a &quot;detailed&quot; coin.</span></p><p><br /></p><p>baseball21, posted:&nbsp; &quot;Only if we can really make it fun and make it about <b>luster on proofs</b>.&quot; </p><p><br /></p><p>By the time I die, every knowledgeable numismatist will understand what &quot;Luster&quot; is by definition, that Proofs have luster, and that when applied to coins there is a difference between MS luster and mirror-like PR luster!&nbsp; It is another simple concept.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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