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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;GDJMSP, post: 3255048, member: 112&quot;]Yeah, I just make stuff up all the time huh ? <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>But then you can find comments like this, made by a guy who has worked at most of the TPGs as grader.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>You might want to pay attention to the capitalized words.</p><p><br /></p><p>Then there&#039;s comments like these by another name you&#039;ll probably recognize - messydesk</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]854987[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]854988[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>And he clearly states that standards for PL and DMPL have definitely changed over the years. </p><p><br /></p><p>And then you can find articles like this one on NGC&#039;s website -</p><p><a href="https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/1157/Bagne-Collection-of-Silver-Commemoratives/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/1157/Bagne-Collection-of-Silver-Commemoratives/" rel="nofollow">https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/1157/Bagne-Collection-of-Silver-Commemoratives/</a></p><p><br /></p><p>- where NGC says the following.</p><p><br /></p><p><i>To qualify for the prooflike, or PL, designation at NGC, a coin must have 2 to 4 inches of reflectivity throughout the entire field area on both obverse and reverse.</i></p><p><br /></p><p>And if I searched long enough I could probably find where they also quantify DPL.</p><p><br /></p><p>And yeah, I am now aware that neither NGC or PCGS currently list the specific distances that each requires for the PL or DMPL/DPL designations. But there was a time when they did. Which is where information like that found in this on the NGC forum came from in years past.</p><p><a href="https://www.ngccoin.com/boards/topic/115116-dmpl-vs-pl/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ngccoin.com/boards/topic/115116-dmpl-vs-pl/" rel="nofollow">https://www.ngccoin.com/boards/topic/115116-dmpl-vs-pl/</a></p><p><br /></p><p><i>DMPL Reflectivity Scale</i></p><p><i><br /></i></p><p><i>Here is the scale that denotes the proper designation for the coin, based on reflectivity:</i></p><p><i><br /></i></p><p><i>* Semi-Prooflike (SPL) - 1 to 2 inches, devices must be frosted</i></p><p><i><br /></i></p><p><i>* Prooflike (PL) - 2 to 4 inches of reflectivity</i></p><p><i><br /></i></p><p><i>* Deep Mirror Prooflike (DMPL) - More than 4 inches</i></p><p><i><br /></i></p><p><i>* Ultra Prooflike (UPL) - At least 8 inches</i></p><p><i><br /></i></p><p><i><br /></i></p><p><i>The designation of Ultra Prooflike is not in widespread use, and qualifying coins are fairly rare.</i></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>You might want to notice the date, it was 10 years ago that was posted. And it&#039;s kinda funny that it&#039;s different in some ways from what&#039;s used now isn&#039;t it.</p><p><br /></p><p>So ya see Kurt, the reason I say some things that I say is because I remember them when I read them. And I realize not everybody does. But I do, I don&#039;t just make things up and post them here. I post what I&#039;ve learned over the years, things that perhaps others have not learned or simply don&#039;t remember. Things like the fact that standards for designations have changed. Things like the TPGs having info on their websites at one point in time, and then removing it because those standards have changed. They don&#039;t exactly want the general public to know things like that. For if they did then they might actually start asking questions and begin doubting what the TPGs tell them and or do presently. And stuff like that, well it just wouldn&#039;t do now would it.</p><p><br /></p><p>But I&#039;ll admit, perhaps I was wrong about NGC using UDPL/UPL, maybe it was ANACS and ICG that used it that I remembered. But the one thing in my original comments in this thread that I couldn&#039;t back up with actual quotes from other websites and/or quotes from other knowledgeable people is that NGC currently uses 8 inches as their requirement for DPL. But if I searched long enough I think I could find even that - confirmed by NGC.</p><p><br /></p><p>But you Kurt, yeah, you can go right on thinking that I just make stuff up all the time simply because you don&#039;t know it or haven&#039;t hear of it. But I got news for ya Kurt, there&#039;s a whole lot of stuff that you don&#039;t know. Nothing wrong with that, there&#039;s a lot of stuff I don&#039;t know either - but at least I admit it. And I don&#039;t go around accusing people of making stuff up just because I don&#039;t. Usually, I thank them for telling me something I didn&#039;t know.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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