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<p>[QUOTE="physics-fan3.14, post: 3254424, member: 19165"]Here is a link to the most recent press release, which you mentioned, from PCGS concerning PL/DMPL: <a href="https://www.pcgs.com/news/pcgs-adds-pl-and-dmpl-designations" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.pcgs.com/news/pcgs-adds-pl-and-dmpl-designations" rel="nofollow">https://www.pcgs.com/news/pcgs-adds-pl-and-dmpl-designations</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Searching back, I see nowhere that PCGS ever states 8 inches as the minimum.</p><p><br /></p><p>In fact, if you read their published grading guide (from 2004), you'll see exactly the same 2-4 inches for PL, 6 inches for DPL. (For those reading along at home, this is on page 75): <a href="https://smile.amazon.com/Official-Guide-Grading-Counterfeit-Detection/dp/0375720502/ref=smi_www_rco2_go_smi_g5171374337?_encoding=UTF8&%2AVersion%2A=1&%2Aentries%2A=0&ie=UTF8" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://smile.amazon.com/Official-Guide-Grading-Counterfeit-Detection/dp/0375720502/ref=smi_www_rco2_go_smi_g5171374337?_encoding=UTF8&%2AVersion%2A=1&%2Aentries%2A=0&ie=UTF8" rel="nofollow">https://smile.amazon.com/Official-Guide-Grading-Counterfeit-Detection/dp/0375720502/ref=smi_www_rco2_go_smi_g5171374337?_encoding=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0&ie=UTF8</a></p><p><br /></p><p>I don't have the first edition from 1997, if someone who has it could check and verify that it's the same? There may have been some stricter requirements in the very early days, but all the published information I can find says the same 6 inches. Other authors who have written about DMPL Morgans have advocated for tighter standards, but none were officially implemented.</p><p><br /></p><p>How strictly PCGS interprets the standards may have changed over time, but the published standard has always been the same from what I can find.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>NGC has not published the distances they use. I've asked them, and they have told me they won't share that information. The most detailed explanation you'll get from NGC is here: <a href="https://coinweek.com/education/coin-grading/learn-coin-grading-from-ngc-prooflike-and-deep-prooflike/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://coinweek.com/education/coin-grading/learn-coin-grading-from-ngc-prooflike-and-deep-prooflike/" rel="nofollow">https://coinweek.com/education/coin-grading/learn-coin-grading-from-ngc-prooflike-and-deep-prooflike/</a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>No, they don't. And they never did.</p><p><br /></p><p>Old ANACS, back when they used the small white holders had an UDM, with higher requirements (12 inches). But those are extremely rare to find.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>As for how they do it, they look at the reflection of their finger above the surface. None of them get out a ruler and measure it. Both PCGS and NGC use the same method.</p><p><br /></p><p>To see exactly how they do it, watch this clip of Scott Schecter from NGC actually grading a PL coin. Jump straight to 2:37 for the PL part, or watch the whole video (which is really informative):</p><p><br /></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]QA7eN8ypSpw[/MEDIA][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="physics-fan3.14, post: 3254424, member: 19165"]Here is a link to the most recent press release, which you mentioned, from PCGS concerning PL/DMPL: [url]https://www.pcgs.com/news/pcgs-adds-pl-and-dmpl-designations[/url] Searching back, I see nowhere that PCGS ever states 8 inches as the minimum. In fact, if you read their published grading guide (from 2004), you'll see exactly the same 2-4 inches for PL, 6 inches for DPL. (For those reading along at home, this is on page 75): [URL='https://smile.amazon.com/Official-Guide-Grading-Counterfeit-Detection/dp/0375720502/ref=smi_www_rco2_go_smi_g5171374337?_encoding=UTF8&%2AVersion%2A=1&%2Aentries%2A=0&ie=UTF8']https://smile.amazon.com/Official-Guide-Grading-Counterfeit-Detection/dp/0375720502/ref=smi_www_rco2_go_smi_g5171374337?_encoding=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0&ie=UTF8[/URL] I don't have the first edition from 1997, if someone who has it could check and verify that it's the same? There may have been some stricter requirements in the very early days, but all the published information I can find says the same 6 inches. Other authors who have written about DMPL Morgans have advocated for tighter standards, but none were officially implemented. How strictly PCGS interprets the standards may have changed over time, but the published standard has always been the same from what I can find. NGC has not published the distances they use. I've asked them, and they have told me they won't share that information. The most detailed explanation you'll get from NGC is here: [url]https://coinweek.com/education/coin-grading/learn-coin-grading-from-ngc-prooflike-and-deep-prooflike/[/url] No, they don't. And they never did. Old ANACS, back when they used the small white holders had an UDM, with higher requirements (12 inches). But those are extremely rare to find. As for how they do it, they look at the reflection of their finger above the surface. None of them get out a ruler and measure it. Both PCGS and NGC use the same method. To see exactly how they do it, watch this clip of Scott Schecter from NGC actually grading a PL coin. Jump straight to 2:37 for the PL part, or watch the whole video (which is really informative): [MEDIA=youtube]QA7eN8ypSpw[/MEDIA][/QUOTE]
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