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<p>[QUOTE="BenSi, post: 4545830, member: 95174"]The empire falls in the 4th crusade, the <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1287" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1287" rel="nofollow">crusaders</a> never got to Jerusalem they stopped at <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=2662" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=2662" rel="nofollow">Constantinople</a> for <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=861&pos=0#Coin Collecting Supplies" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=861&pos=0#Coin Collecting Supplies" rel="nofollow">supplies</a> and overthrew the city when the doors were open. This was the end of the great empire; its treasures were stripped and even though it returns it was at this point nothing more than a remnant of its greatness. My collecting goals stop there, however the <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron" rel="nofollow">tetarteron</a> was continued to be minted. </p><p><br /></p><p>Alexius IV and Isaac II – They purchased the throne from the Latins but could not pay the bill. They were overthrown. They created two tetartera one with Alexius IV being the focus and one with Isaac II being the focus, both are expensive and my desire to own these coins never matched their <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=price" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=price" rel="nofollow">price</a> tags. The cheapest examples sell for at least $1,000.00 </p><p><br /></p><p>The <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron" rel="nofollow">tetarteron</a> did not just cease to exist, the coin was minted by the Latins and by the break off Empires that thrived until <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=2662" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=2662" rel="nofollow">Constantinople</a> was recaptured. To start the Latins issues a purely copper version of the coin, they never depicted a ruler just symbolism that would be familiar to the inhabitants.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1125387[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Then the Empire of Nicea issues examples as well, this was very unusual because the coin never circulated there in the 12th century, the trachea did. All of these coins are lesser seen and are rarer than the 12th century issues. However, this leads me to the first of the unanswered questions about tetartera. </p><p><br /></p><p><b>Circulation</b>. After the coin reform one strange anomaly occurs. The coin known as the <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron" rel="nofollow">tetarteron</a> circulated in <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=2662" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=2662" rel="nofollow">Constantinople</a>, both the silver content version and the copper version circulated in the city, the silver content version is rarely found in <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=65" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=65" rel="nofollow">Greece</a> but the copper version was dominate in that <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=part" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=part" rel="nofollow">part</a> of the empire, the opposite is true for the east, <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=asia%20minor" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=asia%20minor" rel="nofollow">Asia minor</a> <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron" rel="nofollow">tetarteron</a> finds are extremely <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=rare" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=rare" rel="nofollow">rare</a> but trachea was the main lower <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=denomination" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=denomination" rel="nofollow">denomination</a> coin. Tracheae are not found in 12th century <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=65" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=65" rel="nofollow">Greece</a> however both are found in the city of <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=2662" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=2662" rel="nofollow">Constantinople</a>. This leads to two major problems, did items cost more in <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=asia%20minor" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=asia%20minor" rel="nofollow">Asia Minor</a>? If we look at the proposed study of the currencies relation by Michael <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=hendy" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=hendy" rel="nofollow">Hendy</a> we are presented with a major problem.</p><p> </p><p>1 <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=hyperpyron" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=hyperpyron" rel="nofollow">Hyperpyron</a> was equal 3 <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=aspron" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=aspron" rel="nofollow">Aspron</a> <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=trachy" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=trachy" rel="nofollow">Trachy</a>, a <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=aspron" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=aspron" rel="nofollow">Aspron</a> trachea was equal to 16 Billion Trachea, 1 Billion <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=trachy" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=trachy" rel="nofollow">Trachy</a> was equal to 6 <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=2662" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=2662" rel="nofollow">Constantinople</a> issue <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron" rel="nofollow">tetarteron</a>. 1 Billion <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron" rel="nofollow">tetarteron</a> was equal to 3 <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1972" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1972" rel="nofollow">Thessalonica</a> issues tetartera and one 1<a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1972" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1972" rel="nofollow">Thessalonica</a> issued <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron" rel="nofollow">tetarteron</a> was equal to 2 half tetartera. </p><p><br /></p><p>What was happening in <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=asia%20minor" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=asia%20minor" rel="nofollow">Asia Minor</a>? Did goods cost more? Could you only buy in Volume? ( Costco of the Empire.) or was credit being used in <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=asia%20minor" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=asia%20minor" rel="nofollow">Asia Minor</a>? More importantly, why did the government keep the coins separate in the empire? The most probable answer is credit, the <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1288" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1288" rel="nofollow">Islamic</a> countries did have the practice in place, did the <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=byzantine%20empire" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=byzantine%20empire" rel="nofollow">Byzantine empire</a> follow suite? This question remains unresolved until documents of receipts prove otherwise. Now the <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron" rel="nofollow">tetarteron</a> is not completely foreign to <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=asia%20minor" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=asia%20minor" rel="nofollow">Asia Minor</a>, it was a route used by the <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1287" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1287" rel="nofollow">crusaders</a>, so the tetartera of Alexius do appear occasionally. To what extent? well the Suljuq of Rum , an empire on the eastern <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=part" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=part" rel="nofollow">part</a> of <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=asia%20minor" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=asia%20minor" rel="nofollow">Asia Minor</a> created a coin very similar to the <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron" rel="nofollow">tetarteron</a>. This example from my <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=872&pos=0&open=872" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=872&pos=0&open=872" rel="nofollow">collection</a> <b>Mas’ud I 1116-1156 AD 3.96gm</b>.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1125386[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="BenSi, post: 4545830, member: 95174"]The empire falls in the 4th crusade, the [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1287']crusaders[/URL] never got to Jerusalem they stopped at [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=2662']Constantinople[/URL] for [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=861&pos=0#Coin Collecting Supplies']supplies[/URL] and overthrew the city when the doors were open. This was the end of the great empire; its treasures were stripped and even though it returns it was at this point nothing more than a remnant of its greatness. My collecting goals stop there, however the [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron']tetarteron[/URL] was continued to be minted. Alexius IV and Isaac II – They purchased the throne from the Latins but could not pay the bill. They were overthrown. They created two tetartera one with Alexius IV being the focus and one with Isaac II being the focus, both are expensive and my desire to own these coins never matched their [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=price']price[/URL] tags. The cheapest examples sell for at least $1,000.00 The [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron']tetarteron[/URL] did not just cease to exist, the coin was minted by the Latins and by the break off Empires that thrived until [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=2662']Constantinople[/URL] was recaptured. To start the Latins issues a purely copper version of the coin, they never depicted a ruler just symbolism that would be familiar to the inhabitants. [ATTACH=full]1125387[/ATTACH] Then the Empire of Nicea issues examples as well, this was very unusual because the coin never circulated there in the 12th century, the trachea did. All of these coins are lesser seen and are rarer than the 12th century issues. However, this leads me to the first of the unanswered questions about tetartera. [B]Circulation[/B]. After the coin reform one strange anomaly occurs. The coin known as the [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron']tetarteron[/URL] circulated in [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=2662']Constantinople[/URL], both the silver content version and the copper version circulated in the city, the silver content version is rarely found in [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=65']Greece[/URL] but the copper version was dominate in that [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=part']part[/URL] of the empire, the opposite is true for the east, [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=asia%20minor']Asia minor[/URL] [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron']tetarteron[/URL] finds are extremely [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=rare']rare[/URL] but trachea was the main lower [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=denomination']denomination[/URL] coin. Tracheae are not found in 12th century [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=65']Greece[/URL] however both are found in the city of [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=2662']Constantinople[/URL]. This leads to two major problems, did items cost more in [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=asia%20minor']Asia Minor[/URL]? If we look at the proposed study of the currencies relation by Michael [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=hendy']Hendy[/URL] we are presented with a major problem. 1 [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=hyperpyron']Hyperpyron[/URL] was equal 3 [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=aspron']Aspron[/URL] [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=trachy']Trachy[/URL], a [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=aspron']Aspron[/URL] trachea was equal to 16 Billion Trachea, 1 Billion [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=trachy']Trachy[/URL] was equal to 6 [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=2662']Constantinople[/URL] issue [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron']tetarteron[/URL]. 1 Billion [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron']tetarteron[/URL] was equal to 3 [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1972']Thessalonica[/URL] issues tetartera and one 1[URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1972']Thessalonica[/URL] issued [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron']tetarteron[/URL] was equal to 2 half tetartera. What was happening in [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=asia%20minor']Asia Minor[/URL]? Did goods cost more? Could you only buy in Volume? ( Costco of the Empire.) or was credit being used in [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=asia%20minor']Asia Minor[/URL]? More importantly, why did the government keep the coins separate in the empire? The most probable answer is credit, the [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1288']Islamic[/URL] countries did have the practice in place, did the [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=byzantine%20empire']Byzantine empire[/URL] follow suite? This question remains unresolved until documents of receipts prove otherwise. Now the [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron']tetarteron[/URL] is not completely foreign to [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=asia%20minor']Asia Minor[/URL], it was a route used by the [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1287']crusaders[/URL], so the tetartera of Alexius do appear occasionally. To what extent? well the Suljuq of Rum , an empire on the eastern [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=part']part[/URL] of [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=asia%20minor']Asia Minor[/URL] created a coin very similar to the [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=tetarteron']tetarteron[/URL]. This example from my [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=872&pos=0&open=872']collection[/URL] [B]Mas’ud I 1116-1156 AD 3.96gm[/B]. [ATTACH=full]1125386[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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