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<p>[QUOTE="-jeffB, post: 8332569, member: 27832"]Look up the definition of "counterfeit" from the source of your choice, and it will almost certainly say something about "fraudulent intent" or "intent to deceive".</p><p><br /></p><p>Things that are fraudulent and not OK:</p><ul> <li>Strike a blank of whatever metal into something that's then passed as a US coin (classic counterfeiting)</li> <li>Shave a copper cent down to the diameter of a dime, with the idea of using it in a vending machine</li> <li>Plate a new-fangled 5-cent piece (that doesn't say "cents" anywhere) with gold, after putting reeds on its edge, and pass it as a $5 gold coin</li> <li>Fasten a "D" mintmark onto a 1916 dime or a 1932 quarter, and try to sell it as a key date</li> <li>Shave a mintmark off an 1895 dollar, and try to pass it as a rarity</li> <li>Restrike a random Morgan dollar to show a date of 1895, then sell it for a gain (even if you slip it into an "unsearched lot" and make no claims besides including it in the photo)</li> <li>Restrike a random Morgan dollar to be <i>the same date and mintmark</i>, but in mint-state condition instead of circulated, and then sell it as an MS Morgan of that date</li> <li>Doctor a coin's surface or devices to make it appear as a higher grade, then sell it as that higher grade</li> <li>Strike a coin with the ASE design and a date of 1909, from a blank of silver-plated iron, then sell it as a "silver dollar"</li> </ul><p>Things that are not fraudulent and are OK:</p><ul> <li>Draw a mustache on George Washington on a $1 bill</li> <li>Run a cent through a press to elongate it and impress a new design on it</li> <li>Carve a buffalo nickel so there's a skull on the obverse instead of the normal profile<br /> </li> <li>Drill out the fields from a coin to turn it into a pendant (maybe not "OK", but not fraudulent)</li> <li>Restrike a random Morgan dollar with a date of 1922, then sell it as a restruck fantasy coin<br /> </li> <li>Strike anything that you please, and put COPY on it in a size and location that's visible and difficult to efface</li> </ul><p>Things that I don't know how to classify:</p><ul> <li>Restrike a random Peace dollar as a 1964-D, since those <i>were</i> actually struck and nobody can ever <i>prove</i> all the real ones were destroyed</li> <li>Strike a coin from a blank or another coin in a way that <i>changes its displayed face value</i>, but leaves that value denominated in dollars or cents, then sell it as whatever you please -- I know the von NotHaus case hinged on <i>intent to establish a competing currency</i>, but I feel like my footing on this scenario is extremely uncertain.</li> </ul><p>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="-jeffB, post: 8332569, member: 27832"]Look up the definition of "counterfeit" from the source of your choice, and it will almost certainly say something about "fraudulent intent" or "intent to deceive". Things that are fraudulent and not OK: [LIST] [*]Strike a blank of whatever metal into something that's then passed as a US coin (classic counterfeiting) [*]Shave a copper cent down to the diameter of a dime, with the idea of using it in a vending machine [*]Plate a new-fangled 5-cent piece (that doesn't say "cents" anywhere) with gold, after putting reeds on its edge, and pass it as a $5 gold coin [*]Fasten a "D" mintmark onto a 1916 dime or a 1932 quarter, and try to sell it as a key date [*]Shave a mintmark off an 1895 dollar, and try to pass it as a rarity [*]Restrike a random Morgan dollar to show a date of 1895, then sell it for a gain (even if you slip it into an "unsearched lot" and make no claims besides including it in the photo) [*]Restrike a random Morgan dollar to be [I]the same date and mintmark[/I], but in mint-state condition instead of circulated, and then sell it as an MS Morgan of that date [*]Doctor a coin's surface or devices to make it appear as a higher grade, then sell it as that higher grade [*]Strike a coin with the ASE design and a date of 1909, from a blank of silver-plated iron, then sell it as a "silver dollar" [/LIST] Things that are not fraudulent and are OK: [LIST] [*]Draw a mustache on George Washington on a $1 bill [*]Run a cent through a press to elongate it and impress a new design on it [*]Carve a buffalo nickel so there's a skull on the obverse instead of the normal profile [*]Drill out the fields from a coin to turn it into a pendant (maybe not "OK", but not fraudulent) [*]Restrike a random Morgan dollar with a date of 1922, then sell it as a restruck fantasy coin [*]Strike anything that you please, and put COPY on it in a size and location that's visible and difficult to efface [/LIST] Things that I don't know how to classify: [LIST] [*]Restrike a random Peace dollar as a 1964-D, since those [I]were[/I] actually struck and nobody can ever [I]prove[/I] all the real ones were destroyed [*]Strike a coin from a blank or another coin in a way that [I]changes its displayed face value[/I], but leaves that value denominated in dollars or cents, then sell it as whatever you please -- I know the von NotHaus case hinged on [I]intent to establish a competing currency[/I], but I feel like my footing on this scenario is extremely uncertain. [/LIST][/QUOTE]
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