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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Paddy54, post: 8331326, member: 19250&quot;]I disagree as the term &quot;deface &quot;means any alterations done to a coin. And yes one could argue that love tokens, hobo nickels, cut out coins...etc. </p><p>However laws that protected money being defaced...were not enforced as no one was going to be jailed for putting their sweethearts name in a heart on a coin.</p><p>Years ago filming&nbsp; or photography of money was against the law...</p><p>The issue here is not his own designs...its him defacing US mint products or coping them...</p><p>And they arent marked as a copy or fake.</p><p><br /></p><p>So intent....is something that the facts need be examined.&nbsp; If a kid takes 1 of grand pa&#039;s fake Carr dollars and decided to spend it....not knowing its FAKE is he guilty of passing counterfeit money?</p><p>Or is guilty of just plain stealing?</p><p>Each case is subject to the facts....and those facts should be the determination of said case.</p><p><br /></p><p>To reply to the question if i own known counterfeit items are they not illigal unless I spend them?</p><p>Well the question answers is you know they are counterfeit...so thats what they are fake...and if spent then you taken it up a step.</p><p>&nbsp;I love old Ben Franklin notation right on the money &quot;to counterfeit is death&quot;.</p><p>That may be a bit much.... however as a 10 year old in 1964 ,it was hard to believe that less than 100 year ago....stealing a horse would get you hung!</p><p>&nbsp;Laws change for the better or worst... and how and who interpreted them..... and as stated in other post the lines are drawn as to your interpertation of the law, and which side you believe to be right or wrong.....[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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