Discoveries of advanced pre-flood civiliztions

We have the same problem here in Canadian academia.

 

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Some books I have read or referenced from @EWC3




- Wang Mang reference

 

I'm lost.....what NEW evidence points to ancient aliens ( and what happened to the old evidence?), What is all this other stuff like ontology, forget semantics etc...get to the nitty gritty etc. Get to the point .

 

It's perfectly possible to make valuable contributions to scholarship and to speak with authority on a subject without being part of any organization or faculty. It's something we should encourage, I think, and it's a shame that some people try to automatically associate it with pseudo-scholarship. I love the idea, environment and resources of academia, but I'm certainly not blind to its problems. Sometimes we can't see the forest for the trees... I'm lucky to have been taught by people who could.

 

Particularly health concerns that have come up recently...

 

There's a big difference between someone whose work demonstrates excellence and expertise on a topic, and someone who claims to be an expert while doing nothing to demonstrate that expertise!

 

@EWC3 thank you.

 

For one example, the ancient Indian city of Dwaraka, recently discovered in Gulf of Khambat/ 10K BC

 

Another example...off Okinawa/ Japan
10K year old ruins.

 

The Yonaguni Monument is still under debate by mainstream scientists. I don't believe there's been any SOLID evidence that it is either manmade, or 10,000 years old.

Any claims otherwise are often considered pseudoarchaeological.

BUT it does look pretty cool!

 

Looking at the photos, its definately intelligent designed, nothing natural could look like that. They are unearthing pyramids in Central America that looked like hills covered in dense jungle, probably will unearth many more/ different regions of planet. I think its great that there are so many lost cities/ artifacts.

 

Sort of like the Giant's Causeway?

 

Lost cities are not proof of aliens or "advanced" civilisations. Look how many ancient Hellenistic and classical cities are now lost. The famous story of the Vanished lost civilisation of the Hittites is a classic, and yet Hattusha was known about as ruins but its identification was not known.
I know of no archaeological remains of LED's Oled monitors or other old hat electronic type equipment, no fusion reactors or even fission reactors, laser set-ups, solar panels or giant wind turbines. No cars. where are they...I think great big bits of stone are not "advanced" civilisation.
I have been inside Khufu's, Kaphra's, Men Kau Ra's, Teti's, Huni/Sneferu's at Meidum pyramids and a few mastabas. Walked around a few others..Djosers.
Been inside ..yes inside...Chichen Itza not just on top, walked up Coba and Ek Balam and Tulum., I have seen Stonehenge a few times and Silbury Hill.
Once you have the scale of what happened in the past and in other civilisations, you are still impressed but less overawed by big stone work. Hard working and clever and dogged but not Aliens as in extraterrestial. Polished skulls and platinum jewellry have all been explained away, Joseph Smith's gold discs never found......you can say anything about anything to those who want to believe...it's called faith in Christianity. I'm a rationalist, secularist..show me the money!

 

Been in those pyramids as well. Like I mentioned previously we should not disregard the ingenuity of ancient man.

 

The brief mention of ontology was in reference to a side discussion about the possibility of true artificial intelligence, it had nothing to do with aliens.

 

Sorry, all I want was new evidence of ET's and antediluvian civilisations which are "advanced". Those places in Turkey, though interesting and maybe 10 000 years old + don't seem that advanced. Not every "Caveman" lived in caves! Ancient Siberians made shelters out of mammoth bones...maybe hunted or casually picked up...I don't know. Maybe many shelters were leather or leafs which leave zero trace.
The paintings found in Gobekli Tepe are now worryingly thought to be a fraud painted by a archaeologist. Bit like Piltdown man. People fake all the time...it's always been a problem.
So far I have seen no new evidence pertinent to this discussion presented, just old hat stuff pointlessly recycled and no proof of advanced civilisations and or contact with aliens of any sort.
To me its all wishful/magical thinking.

 

What we have very good sources for is the fact that propagandist Lazarsfeld studied the 1938 "War of the Worlds" alien attack panic, and concluded that it was very easy to lead people by the nose.

His close associate Moses Finley came to share those elitist views. And its a matter of public record that Finley got his professional references from Lazarsfeld, before becoming the go-to guy on Greek and Roman economic history.

There are some pretty weird things going on on this planet, but they do not seem to have a lot to do with real aliens, just fictional ones.

Perhaps that’s the real point?

Rob T

 

I would like to say a few positive things about Canadian academia - and note - in parts this is very well sourced……….

As a youngster I became convinced that changes in denomination structure, for instance the move to gold coin in later medieval Europe, were not due to “bullion famines” so much as political changes. I spent a great deal of time writing a paper for a top journal defending that idea. The editor clearly thought my piece was juvenilia. Meanwhile I thought his referee was a fool. (I judge now - we were both right).

Anyhow, later I came across a paper by a Canadian prof, Andrew M. Watson, who made the same point as me, but in a very much more sophisticated way. His paper was “Back to Gold – and Silver”. It rather clearly seemed to attacked ideas previously defended by Lopez at Yale.

Watson’s conclusions in 1967 seemed correct to me, but they had subsequently been ignored both in the USA by Day, and in the UK by Spufford. I tried to debate Spufford on this at a meeting of the Royal, but he apologised for a no-show. Anyhow, in the days before the internet – that was as far as I got.

When the internet appeared I discovered that Watson had had a long career after 1967, but studying vegetables. And I found he was still alive (he still is) and contacted him. As I recall the bare facts he gave me ran like this. Immediately after writing the 1967 paper he was called to the Dean’s office at Toronto, and given a Ford Foundation grant to study vegetables instead of money.

http://www.andrewmwatson.com/publications

The study of medieval money however continued at Toronto, but under a new guy, Munro, who had just got his PhD at Yale, under Lopez and Miskimin.

Now the real kicker – you can read the evidence for yourself here (Read page 6 ff and footnote 6)

https://www.economics.utoronto.ca/public/workingPapers/UT-ECIPA-MUNRO-98-01.pdf

What I conclude is that Munro already figured out that his PhD supervisor Miskimin was operating in a fantasy land, and Lopez was going along with it. But to keep his own career on track he had to keep stum. In fact, Munro waited until they were both dead, and his own career as a front rank scholar was established, before dropping this bombshell.

I never met Munro, but we corresponded some, he struck me as an excellent guy all round. The last time I heard from him, he was retired, Toronto had taken back his office and he had been forced to store his archives at home, under his floorboards. He died a little after.

I judge Canada has had its academic heroes, as indeed has Australia. Maybe more than back here in the UK these days

Rob T

 

Just a quick point, there is nothing new to write about antediluvian lost civilisations and ET's only about the people who comment on it, anthropological and sociological rubbish which is obvious to us all, but they make a living out of spouting the bleeding obvious in a complicated pseudo scientific way.

Since nothing new as turned up that cannot be explained I declare it is all stuff and nonsense and people will believe despite the lack of cogent evidence, anything---just to keep the mystery going. We all like mysteries, don't we.

 

Hunter/Gatherer societies >>> Agrarian societies.
Stone Age >>> Bronze Age
We to this day still measure in 'grains'.