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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 6640806, member: 112"]Now I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, but I think what you really mean is - can you see the difference ? - with see being the operative or key word.</p><p><br /></p><p>To answer that question, I would simply ask you to ask yourself a different question. Take any coin, if a coin is dipped correctly can you see the difference between it and a well preserved exampled ? The answer to that question of course is no - nobody can.</p><p><br /></p><p>That said, the answer to the question you asked, and the way you worded it - is yes ! </p><p><br /></p><p>Your next question is going to be - how ? And the answer is very simple - by using deductive reasoning.</p><p><br /></p><p>Of course this requires that one understand a basic fact about coins. Namely that all coins, every single one, begins to tone the moment it is struck. This is entirely inevitable because it is the nature of metal. Once you know that, understand it, and accept it, the rest becomes easy for deductive reasoning tells you that if coin has no toning then 1 of 2 things must be true. The coin was dipped, or somehow, someway it was stored in a manner that prevented it from toning beyond the point capable of being noticeably seen.</p><p><br /></p><p>And of course you also have to realize that the odds of a coin, of a certain age, being stored in some way that prevented it from toning are astronomical ! Prior to modern day there simply was no storage method used by coin collectors that could prevent toning. Even today, we cannot stop toning completely. We can slow it down a lot with modern storage methods but we can't stop it. This is because the only thing necessary for any and every coin to tone is air - that's it, just air. </p><p><br /></p><p>That said, if by some accident of chance a coin was stored in a manner that prevented air from getting to the coin, or very, very, little air getting to the coin, then toning would be stopped or at least slowed down so much that toning was not noticeable to the eye. </p><p><br /></p><p>Today, we know that the only case where this happened in any numbers of consequence was with Morgan dollars. They are the only coins, older coins, that are known to have been found without noticeable toning because of their unique history. And they are the only coins with that history. Every coin expert there is will tell you that there are no other coin types found untoned, barring very, very few individual examples that somehow escaped toning by a freak of chance.</p><p><br /></p><p>Then you must also understand that coins have been being dipped to remove toning and or contaminants for over 200 years.</p><p><br /></p><p>All of this combined is why deductive reasoning provides us with answers. It is why it is said that 80% or more of all coins have been dipped. And the only reason the number is not a lot higher than 80% is because there are so many modern coins ! With modern being defined as 50 years or less old.</p><p><br /></p><p>So OK, with everything I have said, and I have admitted that there are a few exceptions to the rule when it comes to toning. Then why does that not apply to copper coins ? Why can't they be exceptions ? And the answer is simple, because copper is much, much more reactive than other coinage metals. AND - because the number of so called original mint red coins - numbers in the millions ! And there is absolutely no way that <b>chance</b> could account for millions of coins not toning ! It might account for a few here and there, but not millions of them ![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 6640806, member: 112"]Now I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, but I think what you really mean is - can you see the difference ? - with see being the operative or key word. To answer that question, I would simply ask you to ask yourself a different question. Take any coin, if a coin is dipped correctly can you see the difference between it and a well preserved exampled ? The answer to that question of course is no - nobody can. That said, the answer to the question you asked, and the way you worded it - is yes ! Your next question is going to be - how ? And the answer is very simple - by using deductive reasoning. Of course this requires that one understand a basic fact about coins. Namely that all coins, every single one, begins to tone the moment it is struck. This is entirely inevitable because it is the nature of metal. Once you know that, understand it, and accept it, the rest becomes easy for deductive reasoning tells you that if coin has no toning then 1 of 2 things must be true. The coin was dipped, or somehow, someway it was stored in a manner that prevented it from toning beyond the point capable of being noticeably seen. And of course you also have to realize that the odds of a coin, of a certain age, being stored in some way that prevented it from toning are astronomical ! Prior to modern day there simply was no storage method used by coin collectors that could prevent toning. Even today, we cannot stop toning completely. We can slow it down a lot with modern storage methods but we can't stop it. This is because the only thing necessary for any and every coin to tone is air - that's it, just air. That said, if by some accident of chance a coin was stored in a manner that prevented air from getting to the coin, or very, very, little air getting to the coin, then toning would be stopped or at least slowed down so much that toning was not noticeable to the eye. Today, we know that the only case where this happened in any numbers of consequence was with Morgan dollars. They are the only coins, older coins, that are known to have been found without noticeable toning because of their unique history. And they are the only coins with that history. Every coin expert there is will tell you that there are no other coin types found untoned, barring very, very few individual examples that somehow escaped toning by a freak of chance. Then you must also understand that coins have been being dipped to remove toning and or contaminants for over 200 years. All of this combined is why deductive reasoning provides us with answers. It is why it is said that 80% or more of all coins have been dipped. And the only reason the number is not a lot higher than 80% is because there are so many modern coins ! With modern being defined as 50 years or less old. So OK, with everything I have said, and I have admitted that there are a few exceptions to the rule when it comes to toning. Then why does that not apply to copper coins ? Why can't they be exceptions ? And the answer is simple, because copper is much, much more reactive than other coinage metals. AND - because the number of so called original mint red coins - numbers in the millions ! And there is absolutely no way that [B]chance[/B] could account for millions of coins not toning ! It might account for a few here and there, but not millions of them ![/QUOTE]
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