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<p>[QUOTE="TIF, post: 3164190, member: 56859"]Welcome to CoinTalk <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Many of the Greek gods looked more feminine than did the goddesses, at least by today's standards. Apollo certainly looks more feminine.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Are these the seller's images with your watermark added or your images? The watermark detracts from the images. Why do you need a watermark? If "Gardner Gallery" is a website showcasing your collection it would be better to have a single small logo in a position that doesn't obscure the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>As for your other questions, a good starting place would be CNG's archives. <a href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Search.aspx?PAGE_NUM=&PAGE=1&TABS_TYPE=2&CONTAINER_TYPE_ID=1&IS_ADVANCED=1&ITEM_DESC=Thasos+tetradrachm+Dionysos&ITEM_IS_SOLD=1&SEARCH_IN_CONTAINER_TYPE_ID_1=1&SEARCH_IN_CONTAINER_TYPE_ID_3=1&SEARCH_IN_CONTAINER_TYPE_ID_2=1&SEARCH_IN_CONTAINER_TYPE_ID_4=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Search.aspx?PAGE_NUM=&PAGE=1&TABS_TYPE=2&CONTAINER_TYPE_ID=1&IS_ADVANCED=1&ITEM_DESC=Thasos+tetradrachm+Dionysos&ITEM_IS_SOLD=1&SEARCH_IN_CONTAINER_TYPE_ID_1=1&SEARCH_IN_CONTAINER_TYPE_ID_3=1&SEARCH_IN_CONTAINER_TYPE_ID_2=1&SEARCH_IN_CONTAINER_TYPE_ID_4=1" rel="nofollow">Here are the results pages for search terms "Thasos tetradrachm Dionysos" </a>. Note the three tabs near the top, Coin Shop, eAuctions, and Printed Auctions. To see all 447 of the results you'll need to click on each. The eAuctions will in general have lower value coins so if you're looking for comparisons to your, start there.</p><p><br /></p><p>You'll notice that there is a huge range of artistry for these tetradrachms of Thasos. Some have extremely artistic renderings of Dionysos and others are just plain ugly. To further confuse matters, there are tons of eastern European imitations of the type (not modern fakes; contemporary imitations) which also range from quite similar in style to comical.</p><p><br /></p><p>Some examples from CNG's archives:</p><p><br /></p><p>Very artistic dies (fine style) and higher grade:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=309413#" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=309413#" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://www.cngcoins.com/photos/big/10200188.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></a></p><p><b>CNG 102, Lot: 188.</b> Estimate $500.</p><p>Sold for $750. This amount does not include the buyer’s fee.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>ISLANDS off THRACE, Thasos. </b>Circa 140-110 BC. AR Tetradrachm (32.5mm, 16.95 g, 12h). Wreathed head of young Dionysos right / Herakles standing facing, head left, holding club, lion skin draped over left arm; M to inner left. Prokopov, <i>Silberprägung</i>, Group X, 483 (V Ka30/R 402); Le Rider, <i>Thasiennes</i> 51; HGC 6, 358. Good VF, lightly toned. Well centered and struck.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=163729#" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=163729#" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://www.cngcoins.com/photos/big/867815.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></a></p><p>867815. <b>Sold For $1950</b></p><p><br /></p><p><b>ISLANDS off THRACE, Thasos. </b>Circa 168/7-148 BC. AR Tetradrachm (36mm, 16.98 g, 11h). Wreathed head of young Dionysos right / Herakles standing facing, head left, holding lion skin and club set on ground; ΔI monogram to inner left. Prokopov, <i>Silberprägung</i>, group II, (V B1/R18); SNG Copenhagen 1038 (same dies). EF, attractively toned. Good style.</p><p><br /></p><p>Average style and average condition:</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=356803#" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=356803#" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://www.cngcoins.com/photos/big/4180037.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></a></p><p><b>418, Lot: 37.</b> Estimate $150.</p><p>Sold for $170. This amount does not include the buyer’s fee.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>ISLANDS off THRACE, Thasos. </b>Circa 140-110 BC. AR Tetradrachm (29.5mm, 16.99 g, 12h). Head of young Dionysos right, wearing ivy wreath / Herakles standing facing, head left, holding club in right hand, lion skin draped over left arm; M to inner left. Prokopov, <i>Silberprägung</i>, Group X, 173.2 var. (V Ka3/R – [unlisted rev. die]); Le Rider, <i>Thasiennes</i> 51; HGC 6, 358. VF, toned, slight roughness.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=361760#" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=361760#" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://www.cngcoins.com/photos/big/4230022.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></a></p><p><b>423, Lot: 22.</b> Estimate $300.</p><p>Sold for $220. This amount does not include the buyer’s fee.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>ISLANDS off THRACE, Thasos. </b>Circa 140-110 BC. AR Tetradrachm (32mm, 16.91 g, 12h). Head of young Dionysos right, wearing ivy wreath / Herakles standing facing, head left, holding club in right hand, lion skin draped over left arm; M to inner left. Prokopov, <i>Silberprägung</i>, Group IX, 200 (V Ic2/R 170); Le Rider, <i>Thasiennes</i> 51; HGC 6, 358. Good VF, toned.</p><p><br /></p><p>With weird style:</p><p><a href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=336781#" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=336781#" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://www.cngcoins.com/photos/big/3980039.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></a></p><p><b>398, Lot: 39.</b> Estimate $200.</p><p>Sold for $150. This amount does not include the buyer’s fee.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>ISLANDS off THRACE, Thasos. </b>Circa 90-75 BC. AR Tetradrachm (31.5mm, 16.65 g, 12h). Wreathed head of young Dionysos right / Herakles standing facing, head left, holding club, lion skin draped over left arm; monogram to inner left. Prokopov, <i>Silberprägung</i>, Group XII, 739 var. (V–/R589 [unlisted obv. die]); Le Rider, <i>Thasiennes</i> 52; HGC 6, 359. VF, toned, some die wear on obverse.</p><p><br /></p><p>Imitative with degraded/comical style:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=337098#" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=337098#" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://www.cngcoins.com/photos/big/3980356.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></a></p><p><b>398, Lot: 356.</b> Estimate $200.</p><p>Sold for $140. This amount does not include the buyer’s fee.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>EASTERN EUROPE, Imitations of Thasos. </b>Late 2nd-1st century BC. AR Tetradrachm (33mm, 14.60 g, 12h). Mint in the lower Danube region. Stylized head of Dionysos right, wearing ivy wreath; crude style / Stylized Herakles standing left, head right, holding club, lion skin draped over arm; legend highly degraded. OTA Class IV. VF, light deposits, some die wear on obverse.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=320671#" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=320671#" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://www.cngcoins.com/photos/big/3830266.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></a></p><p><b>383, Lot: 266.</b> Estimate $150.</p><p>Sold for $220. This amount does not include the buyer’s fee.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>EASTERN EUROPE, Imitations of Thasos. </b>1st century BC. AR Tetradrachm (36mm, 16.33 g, 1h). Mint in the lower Danube region. Stylized head of Dionysos right, wearing ivy wreath; highly degraded form / Stylized Herakles standing right, holding club and lion skin; legend degraded to dots. OTA Class V; cf. Lukanc 1770; KMW –. VF, toned, wavy flan, small scattered marks, minor scrape on reverse[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="TIF, post: 3164190, member: 56859"]Welcome to CoinTalk :) Many of the Greek gods looked more feminine than did the goddesses, at least by today's standards. Apollo certainly looks more feminine. Are these the seller's images with your watermark added or your images? The watermark detracts from the images. Why do you need a watermark? If "Gardner Gallery" is a website showcasing your collection it would be better to have a single small logo in a position that doesn't obscure the coin. As for your other questions, a good starting place would be CNG's archives. [URL='https://www.cngcoins.com/Search.aspx?PAGE_NUM=&PAGE=1&TABS_TYPE=2&CONTAINER_TYPE_ID=1&IS_ADVANCED=1&ITEM_DESC=Thasos+tetradrachm+Dionysos&ITEM_IS_SOLD=1&SEARCH_IN_CONTAINER_TYPE_ID_1=1&SEARCH_IN_CONTAINER_TYPE_ID_3=1&SEARCH_IN_CONTAINER_TYPE_ID_2=1&SEARCH_IN_CONTAINER_TYPE_ID_4=1']Here are the results pages for search terms "Thasos tetradrachm Dionysos" [/URL]. Note the three tabs near the top, Coin Shop, eAuctions, and Printed Auctions. To see all 447 of the results you'll need to click on each. The eAuctions will in general have lower value coins so if you're looking for comparisons to your, start there. You'll notice that there is a huge range of artistry for these tetradrachms of Thasos. Some have extremely artistic renderings of Dionysos and others are just plain ugly. To further confuse matters, there are tons of eastern European imitations of the type (not modern fakes; contemporary imitations) which also range from quite similar in style to comical. Some examples from CNG's archives: Very artistic dies (fine style) and higher grade: [URL='https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=309413#'][IMG]https://www.cngcoins.com/photos/big/10200188.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [B]CNG 102, Lot: 188.[/B] Estimate $500. Sold for $750. This amount does not include the buyer’s fee. [B]ISLANDS off THRACE, Thasos. [/B]Circa 140-110 BC. AR Tetradrachm (32.5mm, 16.95 g, 12h). Wreathed head of young Dionysos right / Herakles standing facing, head left, holding club, lion skin draped over left arm; M to inner left. Prokopov, [I]Silberprägung[/I], Group X, 483 (V Ka30/R 402); Le Rider, [I]Thasiennes[/I] 51; HGC 6, 358. Good VF, lightly toned. Well centered and struck. [URL='https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=163729#'][IMG]https://www.cngcoins.com/photos/big/867815.jpg[/IMG][/URL] 867815. [B]Sold For $1950[/B] [B]ISLANDS off THRACE, Thasos. [/B]Circa 168/7-148 BC. AR Tetradrachm (36mm, 16.98 g, 11h). Wreathed head of young Dionysos right / Herakles standing facing, head left, holding lion skin and club set on ground; ΔI monogram to inner left. Prokopov, [I]Silberprägung[/I], group II, (V B1/R18); SNG Copenhagen 1038 (same dies). EF, attractively toned. Good style. Average style and average condition: [URL='https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=356803#'][IMG]https://www.cngcoins.com/photos/big/4180037.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [B]418, Lot: 37.[/B] Estimate $150. Sold for $170. This amount does not include the buyer’s fee. [B]ISLANDS off THRACE, Thasos. [/B]Circa 140-110 BC. AR Tetradrachm (29.5mm, 16.99 g, 12h). Head of young Dionysos right, wearing ivy wreath / Herakles standing facing, head left, holding club in right hand, lion skin draped over left arm; M to inner left. Prokopov, [I]Silberprägung[/I], Group X, 173.2 var. (V Ka3/R – [unlisted rev. die]); Le Rider, [I]Thasiennes[/I] 51; HGC 6, 358. VF, toned, slight roughness. [URL='https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=361760#'][IMG]https://www.cngcoins.com/photos/big/4230022.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [B]423, Lot: 22.[/B] Estimate $300. Sold for $220. This amount does not include the buyer’s fee. [B]ISLANDS off THRACE, Thasos. [/B]Circa 140-110 BC. AR Tetradrachm (32mm, 16.91 g, 12h). Head of young Dionysos right, wearing ivy wreath / Herakles standing facing, head left, holding club in right hand, lion skin draped over left arm; M to inner left. Prokopov, [I]Silberprägung[/I], Group IX, 200 (V Ic2/R 170); Le Rider, [I]Thasiennes[/I] 51; HGC 6, 358. Good VF, toned. With weird style: [URL='https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=336781#'][IMG]https://www.cngcoins.com/photos/big/3980039.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [B]398, Lot: 39.[/B] Estimate $200. Sold for $150. This amount does not include the buyer’s fee. [B]ISLANDS off THRACE, Thasos. [/B]Circa 90-75 BC. AR Tetradrachm (31.5mm, 16.65 g, 12h). Wreathed head of young Dionysos right / Herakles standing facing, head left, holding club, lion skin draped over left arm; monogram to inner left. Prokopov, [I]Silberprägung[/I], Group XII, 739 var. (V–/R589 [unlisted obv. die]); Le Rider, [I]Thasiennes[/I] 52; HGC 6, 359. VF, toned, some die wear on obverse. Imitative with degraded/comical style: [URL='https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=337098#'][IMG]https://www.cngcoins.com/photos/big/3980356.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [B]398, Lot: 356.[/B] Estimate $200. Sold for $140. This amount does not include the buyer’s fee. [B]EASTERN EUROPE, Imitations of Thasos. [/B]Late 2nd-1st century BC. AR Tetradrachm (33mm, 14.60 g, 12h). Mint in the lower Danube region. Stylized head of Dionysos right, wearing ivy wreath; crude style / Stylized Herakles standing left, head right, holding club, lion skin draped over arm; legend highly degraded. OTA Class IV. VF, light deposits, some die wear on obverse. [URL='https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=320671#'][IMG]https://www.cngcoins.com/photos/big/3830266.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [B]383, Lot: 266.[/B] Estimate $150. Sold for $220. This amount does not include the buyer’s fee. [B]EASTERN EUROPE, Imitations of Thasos. [/B]1st century BC. AR Tetradrachm (36mm, 16.33 g, 1h). Mint in the lower Danube region. Stylized head of Dionysos right, wearing ivy wreath; highly degraded form / Stylized Herakles standing right, holding club and lion skin; legend degraded to dots. OTA Class V; cf. Lukanc 1770; KMW –. VF, toned, wavy flan, small scattered marks, minor scrape on reverse[/QUOTE]
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