Diocletian? Umm ... not exactly ...

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  1. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Kevin in quality control was working at NCGS, apparently, when this one was slabbed.

    Aurelian RESTITVTOR ORBIS in slab.jpg

    Diocletian?



    I don't like slabs and I especially don't like erroneously attributed slabs. I did what any reasonable numismatist would have done.



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    Free at last and now with a proper attribution!

    Aurelian RESTITVTOR ORBIS antoninianus Cyzicus.jpg
    Aurelian, AD 270-275.
    Roman billon antoninianus, 3.94 g, 23.6 mm, 11 h.
    Cyzicus, issue 8, phase 2, spring 273 – spring 274.
    Obv: IMP C AVRELIANVS AVG, radiate and cuirassed bust, right.
    Rev: RESTITVTOR ORBIS, female, draped, standing right, presenting wreath to Aurelian, standing left, holding spear or scepter.
    Refs: MER/RIC temp 2988; RIC 437 var.; Cohen 210; La Venera 10345-46; RCV --.
     
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  3. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Not sure if NCGS is the National Coalition of Girls Schools or Non-Celiac Gluten Sensitivity.
     
  4. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I only own one slabbed coin but I can't bring myself to free it. The coin has been sentenced to solitary confinement for impersonating his brother.

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  5. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    NCGS is/was a scammer slabbing out of his basement/ garage. I don't know if he is still active.
     
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  6. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    LOL, appropriate entertainment!
     
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  7. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Doug's NNC is similar. I have bought some of these basement graders slabs just for fun if they are cheap.
     
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  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    The seller where I bought mine had two other error slabs so they are not rare. It is sad but the fact remains that anyone can put coins in plastic and call themselves an expert just like they can set up an Internet business and issue certificates of authenticity. If a person can't tell one ruler from another, how are they to know good from bad?
     
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  9. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    LOL - pretty hard to get those two mixed up. Kevin apparently was employed at ANACS for a while too.

    I freed a coin from this plastic case:
    ANACS Cert.jpg
    In this case, his mother and grandmother might be proud of the mis-attribution. Not quite as incomprehensible as your example - although the "horn" should have been a clue:
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    Elagabalus (218-222), AR Denarius, Rome, AD 221
    Obv: IMP ANTONINVS - PIVS AVG, laureate, horned, cuirassed and draped bust right
    Rev: P M TR P IIII COS - III P P, emperor standing left, sacrificing out of patera over altar and holding branch on left, star above patera on his right, two standards on his left
     
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  10. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    This is just another example of someone setting up an ancient coin 'grading' service without bothering to learn ancient coins. This is not a particularly tricky ID.
     
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  11. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    I sell coins on eBay. I occasionally have a customer request a CoA with a coin, as if my writing something down a paper changes anything.

    I usually tell them that anything I sell comes with a lifetime authenticity guarantee (it states that on the listing), but that I'll write up a CoA, too, if they want one. I'm always careful to include the word "certify". That usually makes them happy. As long as they're happy, I'm happy.

    As they say at Amazon, the customer is sometimes right.
     
  12. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

    At least it doesn't say "Antoninus Pius" on the label...
     
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  13. thejewk

    thejewk Well-Known Member

    That's funny. Surely any fool with eyes can read a legend as clear as that one?!
     
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  14. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Actually ANACS is a legit service like PCGS & NGC, but they are usually ranked #3 in graded coins over the other two.

    ICG is legit too, but I think they rank lower then ANACS. I'm not up to snuff in the slab grading world.
     
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  15. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

  16. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Are ANY of the TPG's good at attributing ancients? Do any guarantee their work for ancients?
     
  17. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    To be fair that "Diocletian" is a really spectacular silvered ant! Hard to find with that silvering intact.
     
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