Different type of GTG. MS, or AU? Straight grade, or details?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Morgandude11, Mar 29, 2023.


Well, what is it?

  1. MS, for sure

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  2. AU, for sure

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  3. Straight graded

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  4. Details

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  1. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Ok, a variation on GTG. Here is a nice 1934 D better date Peace Dollar I just got. The question is, is it AU, or MS? Also, did it straight grade, or was it detailed. Please give a reason for your decision, and also a guess at the grade, if you are so inclined. It has nice, original crusty typical Peace Dollar toning.

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  3. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Hey brother can you spare a half dime?

    Looks like pvc damage..so detailed...as well lamination issues. And again observation is of a photo not coin in hand.
  4. furham

    furham Good Ole Boy

    I wouldn't even attempt it.
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  5. KSorbo

    KSorbo Well-Known Member

    Toning has crossed into environmental damage. Details.
  6. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    So far, not even remotely close.
  7. furham

    furham Good Ole Boy

  8. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    In hand, it is very typical Peace Dollar, with far from unusual crusty toning. I like it. Someone who likes a blast white dipped Peace Dollar would not like it.

    ***Hint. This coin has the exact same grade, and was obviously dipped. Is that a help? I would like this thread as a learning experience.

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  9. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Based on the second coin, I’ll go 62 if it wasn’t detailed.
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  10. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    My guess is MS...the crusty toning makes this one a challenge but I'm thinking there is no wear and it is in an MS 62 holder
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  11. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    I'm at AU Details. ;)
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  12. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Here is another coin, with crusty toning in a similar range. Not my coin, but use it to compare.

  13. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Same here. No eye appeal
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  14. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    That is not a grade. Read the directions.
  15. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Here are the three coins I used for the examples. Mine straight graded at AU 58. It is a slider. The bright coin, not mine, graded at AU 58 also. It, too, is a slider.
    The second example picked at random with the crusty toning graded MS 62. So, all 3 are sliders. Toning or lack thereof generally does not affect grading of Peace Dollars. It is a matter of taste. Most Peace Dollars tone with crusty toning. It is rare to find a rainbow toned Peace Dollar. If one does find a monster rainbow Peace Dollar, they have huge (10x) premiums, in my experience.

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  16. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Supporter! Supporter

    Really? The toning on this coin, and others, would be like trying to grade a coin with gauze over your eyes. Just my opinion. Too much hidden to really tell.
  17. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    This was an easy coin to grade. Also, given that so many coins are bought sight unseen, learning to grade coins like this is essential. @ddddd is right about the way he sees it. That is almost certainly a MS coin, hiding under heavy toning. The AU 58 was probably conservative, as I see MS surface preservation there. If I cracked it out, and dipped it, it would look sharper than coin #2 that I posted. I won’t, as crusty toning is so common on Peace Dollars. Under a good lamp, the coin glows, but you can’t see it in those photographs. I posted it for a learning experience in grading toned Peace Dollars, as a lot of the original surface ones look just like this. Do I think the toning is an asset? No, but it isn’t a liability either. A lot of the dipped Peace Dollars of that era look washed out and lusterless, after a dip.
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  18. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    MS 63,this war nickel is similar to yours I bought it because I thought it looked unique.Some would say details but it has strong luster,nice strike,and no obvious major hits enough to penalize. Screenshot_20230116-101008_Photos.jpg Screenshot_20230116-100953_Photos.jpg Screenshot_20230116-100957_Photos.jpg
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  19. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Good exercise.

    One way or the other, Peace dollars often manage to be the ugliest in the bunch, at least according to my eye.
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  20. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    They do not tone attractively, the way Morgans did. The humid storage in mint bags benefitted Morgan toning. Peace dollars did not get the same benefit of some gorgeous rainbows.

    Here is another example of a dipped Peace Dollar. This is one of the toughest to find that is attractive in MS. The 35s is a conditional rarity in higher MS. This was graded MS 63 by PCGS, and looks lusterless. I am sure this one was an ugly battleship gray, and got the ugly toning rinsed off of it. Would I spend $675 ( asking price) for this coin? Heck no!

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  21. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    That MS 62 is the least attractive example of all (at least to my eye). The blast white is ok but the spots detract from the eye appeal. Your toned 58 is the nicest of the three. I personally don't care for that look but I don't see it as environmental damage. Rainbow toning on Peace Dollars is quite rare (and pricey) so I still don't have a "keeper" for my set (the hunt continues). Currently I have one raw blast white for my Dansco type set and a placeholder for my toner set (has a cool pattern but not the liveliest of colors).
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