Different opinions from two TPGs- what did they miss?

1st cert:



Same coin, 2nd cert:



Raw image (courtesy NGC):

 

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I guess they missed that it's a counterfeit. According to the Bugert book, there are only three mint mark styles/positions for the 1872-S half dollar, but not this one. It's close to WB-1, but too small and too far right.

 

over dipped

 

NGC/ANACS would have caught that if it was a counterfeit, Since the MMs were hand punched isn't it possible that are some positions/variations of MM that are not listed?

 

The ANACS grade looks more accurate IMO

 

I believe all the die varieties are known. I don’t see a picture of the coin in an NGC holder, so yes, they likely caught that ;-)

 

Whoops, meant PCGS, still the people they have grading are highly skilled at what they do and its part of their job to recognize fakes and not slab them... I have no idea, it could be a fake for all I know, I just figured the quality control of these top TPGs would catch that, maybe not lol

 

They had no MMs in hand, or it would have chocolate all over the coin.

 

they never said it was fake. It is cleaned, not fake.

 

Looks cleaned to me PCGS give it a pass but it greatly affected the grade,I think ANCS was more right on this one giving it a higher grade but with a details also(The equivalent to PCGS but better)

 

I agree. The mintmark and location does not match any of the three in Bill's book. Is it possible that there is an unknown variety out there? I suppose it is possible. Bill's book was published in 2009. When did PCGS and then ANACS slab the coin?

Under what circumstances did NGC photograph the coin and did NGC state that it is counterfeit?

 

NGC did not photograph the coin, I mis-spoke and meant to write PCGS

 

ANACS got it right, and PCGS did not. It is a cleaned coin. PCGS let it slide.

 

True, that is what you said but not what I'm talking about.

In @Jack D. Young's original post, he attributed the unslabbed photograph to NGC. So, my question still stands. What did NGC have to say about this coin's bona fides?

Given that this was posted by Jack who is a well-recognized counterfeit coin hunter, I think the purpose of his post was probably centered on the question of why and how two separate TPGs slabbed this counterfeit coin. I somehow think the question of its grade was not his purpose. But don't let me put words in his mouth. He can speak for himself.

 

2nd example also slabbed by PCGS:

 

maybe people can then stop speaking in code.

 

Ha, that slab number, 33071417 returns a PCGS notice that it cannot be found. Another counterfeit.

I note the same circumferential raised lines on both examples on the reverse, high-lighted below. An indication both coins were struck from the same counterfeit die.

I'm sure I could find other similarities if I had Jack's great eye.

 

all I see is a difference in the rim