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<p>[QUOTE="Sulla80, post: 3702216, member: 99456"]Although I got this from a seller that I trust, something about this coin looked odd to me, the fabric, some elements of the obverse design, the flan crack...I am not sure what made me question it and look for matches on <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/search.php" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/search.php" rel="nofollow">Forvm Fake Ancient Reports</a>.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]991786[/ATTACH]</p><p>Whatever led me there, I did find a <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pos=-7539" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pos=-7539" rel="nofollow">match</a> - a cast fake. However, it is only a single die match to my coin (<b>RIC IV 130a</b>), the reverse. The obverse is a different die from mine.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]991781[/ATTACH]</p><p>One die match...what could I make of this? Lots of coins share one die - perhaps I only share a die with the real coin that was the basis for the cast fake. For anyone interested in more information on die links, here is <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/dielink.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/dielink.html" rel="nofollow">a link to an excellent site</a> from [USER=19463]@dougsmit[/USER].</p><p><br /></p><p>Next, I looked for other die matches and they weren't hard to find. I found several in ACSearch from auctions including <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=473480" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=473480" rel="nofollow">this coin</a> from CNG, an obverse match, with a different reverse, an expensive and rare type (<b>RIC IV 125a</b>). The animation shows the overlay of the two coins.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]992161[/ATTACH]</p><p>That seemed interesting, at least there are other coins that have sold as genuine that match mine. In all I found 4 obverse matches and 2 reverse matches - from almost as many different auction houses - no double die matches to my coin. There are more, I stopped looking after finding a few. I thought that it might be interesting that these two different issues share a die as that could establish that they were minted in the same place and time. The obverse matches both to the rare 125a and to my coin 130a.</p><p><br /></p><p>Next, I checked RIC and a few other references. Nothing too surprising, both coins were minted in Rome circa AD 201-206. Not unreasonable that these coins could have been minted in the same place and time.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]992170[/ATTACH]</p><p>Next, I went back to Forvm - with another thought - are there any fakes reports for the rare coin? This time I found a die match for the Obverse of the rare 125a, a "well known" <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pos=-17673" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pos=-17673" rel="nofollow">Lipanoff fake</a>. To me, this means that both the obverse and the reverse of my coin independently matched dies that were the basis of fakes. Does that have any implications for my coin - beyond a bit of practice spotting die links?</p><p> </p><p>I decided I needed another opinion, so I sent the coin off to <a href="https://www.ngccoin.com/specialty-services/ancient-coins/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ngccoin.com/specialty-services/ancient-coins/" rel="nofollow">NGC</a>.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>As always, additional information, insights, questions, corrections, and input are appreciated. Any guesses on what came back?</b>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Sulla80, post: 3702216, member: 99456"]Although I got this from a seller that I trust, something about this coin looked odd to me, the fabric, some elements of the obverse design, the flan crack...I am not sure what made me question it and look for matches on [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/search.php']Forvm Fake Ancient Reports[/URL]. [ATTACH=full]991786[/ATTACH] Whatever led me there, I did find a [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pos=-7539']match[/URL] - a cast fake. However, it is only a single die match to my coin ([B]RIC IV 130a[/B]), the reverse. The obverse is a different die from mine. [ATTACH=full]991781[/ATTACH] One die match...what could I make of this? Lots of coins share one die - perhaps I only share a die with the real coin that was the basis for the cast fake. For anyone interested in more information on die links, here is [URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/dielink.html']a link to an excellent site[/URL] from [USER=19463]@dougsmit[/USER]. Next, I looked for other die matches and they weren't hard to find. I found several in ACSearch from auctions including [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=473480']this coin[/URL] from CNG, an obverse match, with a different reverse, an expensive and rare type ([B]RIC IV 125a[/B]). The animation shows the overlay of the two coins. [ATTACH=full]992161[/ATTACH] That seemed interesting, at least there are other coins that have sold as genuine that match mine. In all I found 4 obverse matches and 2 reverse matches - from almost as many different auction houses - no double die matches to my coin. There are more, I stopped looking after finding a few. I thought that it might be interesting that these two different issues share a die as that could establish that they were minted in the same place and time. The obverse matches both to the rare 125a and to my coin 130a. Next, I checked RIC and a few other references. Nothing too surprising, both coins were minted in Rome circa AD 201-206. Not unreasonable that these coins could have been minted in the same place and time. [ATTACH=full]992170[/ATTACH] Next, I went back to Forvm - with another thought - are there any fakes reports for the rare coin? This time I found a die match for the Obverse of the rare 125a, a "well known" [URL='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pos=-17673']Lipanoff fake[/URL]. To me, this means that both the obverse and the reverse of my coin independently matched dies that were the basis of fakes. Does that have any implications for my coin - beyond a bit of practice spotting die links? I decided I needed another opinion, so I sent the coin off to [URL='https://www.ngccoin.com/specialty-services/ancient-coins/']NGC[/URL]. [B]As always, additional information, insights, questions, corrections, and input are appreciated. Any guesses on what came back?[/B][/QUOTE]
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