Die gouges in Lincoln shield 2015

I'm not a Lincoln collector, but I thought these die gouges in the shield were very interesting!

Russ

 

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Are those the same coin?

 

Yes, just different lighting techniques.

 

Good eye Russ. You want something like this as well.

 

Info please...gouges in a die should be raised on a coin. All I can see are hits INTO the coin's surface. Where are the die gouges and how many are there to look for?

 

I think the OP is talking about die crack I see on the top of the shield, left side. On the rim of the shield.

 

There are die gouges in the R of PLURIBUS and the second U in UNUM.

 

No, that's PMD.

 

That is a different coin, with neat die cracks.

IMO those marks are where something hit the coin after it was struck, If they INTO the surface or RAISED on your coin?

 

They are PMD.

 

Well keep looking and good luck!

 

I see those two marks. They look to go under the letters. Help me understand how that is PMD. Are the marks above or below the field of the coin? Images play tricks on my eyes.

 

They play tricks on everyone's eyes. I don't have time now but will explain how to tell later. In the meantime someone will probably reply.

For now, the best thing for you to learn: Get a shield cent, look at it, think what the die that made it looks like and then "in your head" hit the die and imagine what the struck coin would look like.

 

Insider. I understand this better than you but you seem to look down on everyone. The marks go under the raised letters. Read what is said before you disagree with it. That's not PMD. If it were, the marks would go over the raised letters. Do you see the marks going over the raised letters? You need to think about that for a bit.

With that said. To me the OP images make the marks look raised above the shield. That would mean that they were on the die. If my eyes are wrong and they are not raised, it would mean that the marks were there when the coin was struck.

Someone tell me how PMD is even a possibility.

 

The OP has the coin. The OP said his coin is PMD. I tried to help you with this BECAUSE IMAGES can be deceiving. I thought they were TOOL MARKS MYSELF at first UNTIL I took out a Shield cent, looked at it and did some thinking.

If you wish to apologize to me for making me feel really, really bad I'll continue. Otherwise I'm sorry I cannot help you with this. and another member can TAKE SOME SERIOUS TIME OUT OF THEIR LIFE to help you out because I'm a very slow typist.

PS I don't look down on anyone here. I feel sorry that many of them have not had the opportunities I have had in this business so I am spending lots of time on CT trying to pass MY EDUCATED OPINIONS (along with many others here who know some stuff) to the UNINFORMED. We all had to learn the characteristics of coins, what they look like, and how they grade to survive with the sharks!

So while you were feeling attacked by me and questioning the opinions of the OP and other posters here, I attended a grading seminar this weekend to polish up my skills. We studied the characteristics found on coins and dies and what happens when you put both together. Perhaps you should attend a class sometime.

 

Russ
Please join in. Do these marks go under the lettering?

 

Larry,

I have to apologize on this thread; I was wrong. The legend within the shield is incuse; that is why the scratch appears to go under the letter. It is in fact a couple of hits going over the surface of the coin.

As you know, my eye is trained for IHCs in particular. The incuse lettering used on the modern designs gives me that optical illusion. It does not help that the hits or scratches look EXACTLY as I'd expect a die gouge to appear.

Russ

 

Absolutely NO APOLOGY necessary. Your question made me think. It also provided much enjoyment when I discovered that those marks that looked 100% like tool marks in the die that were transferred to the coin were actually "hits." For me it was just like solving those old wire puzzle toys from the 50's.

Thanks for the post!

 

Let me explain a bit further what is seen here in the image. The light source is coming from the top. The shield is a raised device, so you can see a white highlight at its top. The same is true for the band that goes across the shield.

The letters are incuse, and that is why their tops appear black and the bottoms white. The incuse and raised areas of a coin will catch light in different ways, and this photo exhibits that pretty nicely.

What I thought are gouges are not. This can be judged simply by observing the placement of the light source. If the scratches were gouges, there would be a band of white on the top side - not the bottom.