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Message:: [QUOTE="Ordinary Fool, post: 2673770, member: 85318"]Think real hard about this because I am going to say it boldly......... the only way the reverse of a coin will present as a properly stuck obverse, is for it to be flipped over and properly struck. The classic "die clash" or die kiss when the opposing dies kiss each other, presents exactly like a vice job, because that is pretty much what happens. Think about how die clashed dies are repaired. The high relief, that would present as incuse on the wrong side, is removed by filing, grinding or other abrasive methods. I'd go further and suggest in the event the clash was much more than a kiss, both dies would likely be rendered useless. That's pretty bold, huh? Think about it real hard. An aside, one of the most brilliant cad monkeys and master machinists I know has a brain not wired normally at all. Completely dyslexic and cannot spell even three or four letter words. Yet, he drew and set up five-axis stuff churned out on multi-million dollar gantries, for Boeing making the huge money. He can sketch out a 5+ axis drawing faster than most people can render a few cocktail napkin 2-D perspectives. What I am saying, is not every gifted person is gifted in the area of spatial relationships. I certainly remain quite willing to stand corrected upon being shown.[/QUOTE]