Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Tin_Man_0, Jul 16, 2019.
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I'm going to start by saying it's a die crack. Most are not valuable, as stated above. I do not see this one as having a premium.
I'm going to disagree about it not being able to be a clash. I used to think this as well, until I started noticing coins that have a clash on deeper areas of the die. Here's an example of my own. When you look straight down from the eagle's beak, you see the start of Washington's outline. Notice, however, that you cannot see a clash in the fields?
Can you circle this on any photo here? I don’t see anything that looks like split plate doubling.
yes but that area of the eagles wing is a shallow area of the die, no where near as deep as lincolns head...
Sorry, not tech savvy and don't know how to do the circle. The areas I'm talking about are the 2nd photo, the shiny spots on Lincoln's head; other photos; the shine at the back of the head and behind the ear and the lettering LIBERTY. Unless it's just a reflection due to the lighting.
Maybe, but there are reasons we have things like talon head Ike dollars. I think telling new folks that clashes should really only be on the devices is a bit misleading and could lead them to overlook clashes that are in higher places.
I felt the need to point out that split plate doubling does not happen on the actual head/letters/numbers/design, but the doubling is an expansion of the design into the fields. Doubling in Lincoln’s head would be caused by something else. I think the lighting is playing tricks for the rest of what you mentioned.
think you misread something, i dont see this stated anywhere in this thread...
This is what I was referring to, which I think can confuse new collectors.
of course your assuming that a new collector actually knows how a clash occurs..
" The field area of the die is most likely to pick up clash marks because this part of die face is farthest in front. Shallow recesses on the die face (corresponding to low-relief areas on the coin) can also pick up clash marks. Deep recesses are generally protected from even the strongest clashes."
is this less confusing, what i stated but in more detail....
@Seattlite86 @ken454 ...Great job clarifying this...I, too, have thought only of the fields being affected by clashing, now I have seen that it can happen elsewhere...makes sense...Spark
@Seattlite86 I retract my previous reply and feel I have to reply to your comment that split plate doubling does not happen on certain areas of the coin. How is the following explained?
The part where it states that "The exposed zinc often outlines large centrally located design elements, like busts and buildings. Split plate doubling can, however, involve any design element, including peripheral ones".
So the part I took issue with, was you saying the doubling was the shiny parts ON Lincoln’s head. Split plate doubling does not actually occur on devices, but expands into the fields surrounding the devices. Split plate doubling normally occurs at the center of the coin, but can also occur on the periphery where letters and numbers tend to be (especially with broad struck coins). So doubling on something like Lincoln’s ear wouldn’t be explained by split plate doubling.
@ken454 no, I’m assuming that the combination of the relative ambiguity in the word “high” and you saying that it absolutely cannot be a clash would confuse someone to thinking that if there is no clash in the fields, then what they have can’t be a clash. It’s really a matter of semantics, but for beginners, I think your last definition is spot on and reduces ambiguity/confusion.
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