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<p>[QUOTE="Tejas, post: 7948866, member: 84905"]I agree, the coin is from the same dies. The dot below the V on the obverse is helpful in determining die-identity. What you wrote about the dots on the reverses of solidi from 425 is interesting and the same unknown intention may be involved. Hence, the dot may not mark out the letter V, but the whole title AVG.</p><p><br /></p><p>The coins date to AD 439 (the original model that is). If the coin is a barbaric imitation the dot should also be found on a clearly official issue, from which it was copied.</p><p><br /></p><p>In any case, I looked at it under magnification and I'm sure that it is part of the engraving and not some kind of flaw.</p><p><br /></p><p>You are right, I need to get hold of the publication where the type was condemned to see the reasoning. If anybody on the forum has access to it I would be very interested.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here is the reference again:</p><p><font size="5">Theodosius II, AV Solidus, <b>IBSCC Bulletin on Counterfeits BOCS Vol 1 No.2 Page 35 RO.9</b></font></p><p><font size="5">Ratto 153</font></p><p><br /></p><p>I found the discussion below. Apparently, the IBSCC bulletin's credibility is not beyond doubt. The discussants point out that it contains many genuine coins that were wrongly condemned:</p><p><a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=33364.0" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=33364.0" rel="nofollow">https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=33364.0</a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I get the impression, that all the information from the IBSCC Bulletin is already given by the entry in Forgery Network and that there is no discussion of the coin to be found in the IBSCC Bulletin.</p><p><br /></p><p>Apparently, the reasons for the condemnations in the IBSCC bulletin are sometimes just given as "condemned by CFDL". I suspect what happened is that somebody saw a picture of such a coin in an old catalog (hence the poor quality picture) and said I don't like the style of it, it must be fake and submitted it to CFDL and IBSCC took it from there.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>PS</p><p><br /></p><p>The three solidi you showed are presumably from your collection? They are great - congratulations.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Tejas, post: 7948866, member: 84905"]I agree, the coin is from the same dies. The dot below the V on the obverse is helpful in determining die-identity. What you wrote about the dots on the reverses of solidi from 425 is interesting and the same unknown intention may be involved. Hence, the dot may not mark out the letter V, but the whole title AVG. The coins date to AD 439 (the original model that is). If the coin is a barbaric imitation the dot should also be found on a clearly official issue, from which it was copied. In any case, I looked at it under magnification and I'm sure that it is part of the engraving and not some kind of flaw. You are right, I need to get hold of the publication where the type was condemned to see the reasoning. If anybody on the forum has access to it I would be very interested. Here is the reference again: [SIZE=5]Theodosius II, AV Solidus, [B]IBSCC Bulletin on Counterfeits BOCS Vol 1 No.2 Page 35 RO.9[/B] Ratto 153[/SIZE] I found the discussion below. Apparently, the IBSCC bulletin's credibility is not beyond doubt. The discussants point out that it contains many genuine coins that were wrongly condemned: [URL]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=33364.0[/URL] I get the impression, that all the information from the IBSCC Bulletin is already given by the entry in Forgery Network and that there is no discussion of the coin to be found in the IBSCC Bulletin. Apparently, the reasons for the condemnations in the IBSCC bulletin are sometimes just given as "condemned by CFDL". I suspect what happened is that somebody saw a picture of such a coin in an old catalog (hence the poor quality picture) and said I don't like the style of it, it must be fake and submitted it to CFDL and IBSCC took it from there. PS The three solidi you showed are presumably from your collection? They are great - congratulations.[/QUOTE]
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