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<p>[QUOTE="Insider, post: 8051595, member: 24314"]This is a very well thought out post and includes a very important fact concerning grading. I'll add my 2c:</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>1865King, posted: "...As far as the hairlines virtually every coins has hairlines. [<i><span style="color: #660033">Unfortunately, this is not entirely true. Usually it depends on the coin type and age. For example, I'd say we can fine hairlines on most seated coinage. They are uncommon on modern issues. Check out all the 70's around.</span></i>] I wish people would stop using the term hairlines as a catch all for any type of hairline. [<i><span style="color: #660033">There is nothing wrong with calling ANY HAIRLINE a hairline because that's what they are!</span></i>] Same goes the term "wipe". [<i><span style="color: #660033">I never heard of the term "wipe" until 1998 when I worked with former coin dealers grading at NGC. Before that we called them "wheel marks." A "wipe" is a concentration of hairlines with the appearance of a light haze all the way to a mirror-like patch.</span></i>] Signs of a wipe are hairlines. However, with the coin in question from looking at the "hairlines" seen in the picture with all or most of the hairlines going in the same direction and can be seen on the fields and bust I say the coin has been cleaned or "wiped" in the past. [<i><span style="color: #660033">A "wipe" is not cleaning!</span></i>]..."</p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: #660033"><i>THIS IS THE GREAT PART and totally true:</i> </span><span style="color: #000000">"Just another opinion on the</span> <span style="color: #000000">term hairlines.</span> <b><font size="6"><span style="color: #b30000">A coin could easily be covered in hairlines and never been cleaned or wiped. </span></font></b><span style="color: #000000"> Put a mint state coin in an empty pocket and leave it there as you go thru your day. Just the fact the coin was in your pocket all day you should expect it to be covered in hairlines but, it was never technically cleaned..."</span></p><p><br /></p><p><i><span style="color: #660033">It took me a long time to figure this out for myself. Many coins have hairlines and it does not indicate cleaning. Hairlines can occur with circulation or mishandling. These hairlines are usually seen in random</span> <span style="color: #660033">directions. When hairlines are parallel, that's when it may indicate trouble. I'll remind folks that most hairlined coins</span> <span style="color: #b30000">ARE <b>NOT</b> HARSHLY CLEANED </span><span style="color: #660033">as we often read in coin forum posts. BTW, the ANA Grading Guide allows a coin with continuous hairlines to be graded up to MS-61. That's for each of you to agree on or not.</span></i>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Insider, post: 8051595, member: 24314"]This is a very well thought out post and includes a very important fact concerning grading. I'll add my 2c: 1865King, posted: "...As far as the hairlines virtually every coins has hairlines. [[I][COLOR=#660033]Unfortunately, this is not entirely true. Usually it depends on the coin type and age. For example, I'd say we can fine hairlines on most seated coinage. They are uncommon on modern issues. Check out all the 70's around.[/COLOR][/I]] I wish people would stop using the term hairlines as a catch all for any type of hairline. [[I][COLOR=#660033]There is nothing wrong with calling ANY HAIRLINE a hairline because that's what they are![/COLOR][/I]] Same goes the term "wipe". [[I][COLOR=#660033]I never heard of the term "wipe" until 1998 when I worked with former coin dealers grading at NGC. Before that we called them "wheel marks." A "wipe" is a concentration of hairlines with the appearance of a light haze all the way to a mirror-like patch.[/COLOR][/I]] Signs of a wipe are hairlines. However, with the coin in question from looking at the "hairlines" seen in the picture with all or most of the hairlines going in the same direction and can be seen on the fields and bust I say the coin has been cleaned or "wiped" in the past. [[I][COLOR=#660033]A "wipe" is not cleaning![/COLOR][/I]]..." [COLOR=#660033][I]THIS IS THE GREAT PART and totally true:[/I] [/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]"Just another opinion on the[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]term hairlines.[/COLOR] [B][SIZE=6][COLOR=#b30000]A coin could easily be covered in hairlines and never been cleaned or wiped. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][COLOR=#000000] Put a mint state coin in an empty pocket and leave it there as you go thru your day. Just the fact the coin was in your pocket all day you should expect it to be covered in hairlines but, it was never technically cleaned..."[/COLOR] [I][COLOR=#660033]It took me a long time to figure this out for myself. Many coins have hairlines and it does not indicate cleaning. Hairlines can occur with circulation or mishandling. These hairlines are usually seen in random[/COLOR] [COLOR=#660033]directions. When hairlines are parallel, that's when it may indicate trouble. I'll remind folks that most hairlined coins[/COLOR] [COLOR=#b30000]ARE [B]NOT[/B] HARSHLY CLEANED [/COLOR][COLOR=#660033]as we often read in coin forum posts. BTW, the ANA Grading Guide allows a coin with continuous hairlines to be graded up to MS-61. That's for each of you to agree on or not.[/COLOR][/I][/QUOTE]
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