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Message:: [QUOTE="kanga, post: 2072580, member: 9270"]I'm getting ready to list a 1909 VDB Lincoln on eBay.I didn't care for my original images so I'm redoing them with a better camera.Here's a raw, unedited of the obverse (it's LARGE so that you can see what I'm concerned about): <img src="http://www.dcderoo.com/1-1909-VDB-o.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> Obvious hairlines across the coin in the 2-8 direction.And the lines go right across the devices. Here's my problem.My records indicate that the coin was cracked out of an NGC MS-65 slab!!! The confusion is that the lines in the fields go right up to the devices.General rule-of-thumb is that when the lines are like that the cause was die filing/wiping at the Mint.Cleaning by a collector generally leaves a gap in the lines between the fields and the devices (sort of a halo around the devices).BUTMore confusion is caused by the lines going right across the devices.That generally indicates cleaning by a collector. So was this most likely done outside the Mint and NGC botched the grading?ORDid this happen at the Mint? Support for this happening at the Mint: the lines in the fields go right up to the devices.Support for this happening outside the Mint and NGC botched the grading: I cannot see the lines with the naked eye nor at 3x; only at 6x IF you are really looking for them.I had to go to 9x to really see them.[/QUOTE]