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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;GDJMSP, post: 726026, member: 112&quot;]Mike - when you are finally going to get into your head that the ANA are the ones who invented market grading ? The ANA has not practiced technical grading since before the TPG&#039;s even existed ! <b><u>ANA grading is market grading !!</u></b> </p><p><br /></p><p>And one of these days you might do well to actually look at who it was that wrote the ANA standards. It was people like David Hall, David Lange, Rick Montgomery, Guth, Garret - the list goes on &amp; on. And of course all of those people also just happen to be all big shots at the TPG&#039;s.</p><p><br /></p><p>A big part of the reason that you always take the side in this discussion that do is because you are laboring under false information. You always seem to think that the ANA uses technical grading standards - they do not and have not since 1985. </p><p><br /></p><p>You seem to think that standards written by the very people you support, and written only 4 years ago, have not been used in over 15 to 20 years. With all due respect, that is just ludicrous. That is why the standards were re-written to begin with, to keep up with the changing market. And contrary to what you think, those very standards were broadly used in the marketplace only 4 years ago. Which supports my opinion that it has only been in the past couple of years that what we see today in grading has been happening.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>So grading coins that have numerous, and very distracting planchet flaws, in prime focal areas, as MS67&#039;s is your definition of doing a better job ? You can&#039;t really believe that now do ya ?</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>That&#039;s a weak rationalization, IMO.&nbsp; The TPGs in the early days met with the most resistance from the dealers, not the collectors.&nbsp; It was done to help reign in the vast differences in grades between dealers (who, incidentally, claimed to adhere to the ANA standards).&nbsp; The TPGs gained traction for one reason -- they provided a valuable service by removing grading from the dealers&#039; hands.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now you can argue that lots of things have changed since then (for instance gradeflation), but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s fair to conclude the TPG-backed market grading was done out of a lack of desire for honesty when it was precisely the opposite that caused the TPG revolution. [/quote]</p><p><br /></p><p>No, and I don&#039;t even think it was done for that reason. I truly believe it was done for the very reason you mention.</p><p><br /></p><p>But I&#039;m not talking about what was done 23 years ago. I&#039;m talking about what is going on right now ! I am saying that they, the TPG&#039;s, have changed from what they were just a few years ago. I am saying that their customers, those who submit coins, have changed from what they were just a few years ago. Just a few years ago you wouldn&#039;t have seen a coin like this in an MS67 holder, it didn&#039;t happen.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Again, your msitaken beliefs are coming into play. Nobody is talking about technical grading. You need to understand that once and for all.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Now that, I guess that speaks volumes.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Of course a coin has to be worth the price/grade it assigned.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Yeah, I agree. I am in the minority. But that is because I have a sense of integrity that a very large part of the market seems to have lost. As I said above, they don&#039;t care anymore if the coin is graded correctly or not. They only care about the number on the plastic slab because that is what determines the number of dollars they get to put in their pocket. And &quot;they&quot;, they are the collectors and dealers out there who are accepting this garbage and allowing it to happen. And it disgusts me.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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