Desert patina or doctoring? Sent coins to NGC (NGC's stance on repatination)

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  1. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Stop thinking like a normal, ethical person.
     
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  3. Barry Murphy

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    most of the time it doesn’t ruin a coin. It’s normally applied with elmers or other water soluble glue and washes off quite easily. You never know exactly what’s underneath though.

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  4. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

    I bought this Domitian AE24 some time ago before I realized the dealer typically applied artificial patinas. I don't regret the purchase since I like the coin and didn't pay a lot for it. But it's a good example of a coin that is in rough shape (esp. the obverse) but still maintains some eye appeal thanks to the artificial patina.Without it, that obverse is going to look pretty unattractive. I think that is why the dealer applies the patina. A bit of lipstick on a pig--a metaphor Domitian probably would have approved of.
    DOMITIAN JUDEA CAPTA 1.jpg
     
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  5. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    So I guess the gist of this is that this is an OK practice so long as the underlying coin features are not harmed? I agree that it tends to highlight detail on a coin that otherwise might be of lesser grade.
     
    ancient coin hunter, Jun 7, 2020
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  6. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    What I thought modern forgers looked like:
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    And what they actually look like:
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  7. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Using a sand patina to hide a rough field is like using Bondo on a car.
     
    Kentucky, Jun 7, 2020
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  8. Barry Murphy

    Barry Murphy Well-Known Member

    Just for fun I checked the date the Claudius was holdered and it was September 2011. The last time sand patina was used on a label as far as I can trace was late 2013.

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    Barry Murphy, Jun 9, 2020
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  9. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Funny, it doesn't seem like it was nine years ago. Tempus fugit.
     
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  11. kolyan760

    kolyan760 Well-Known Member

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  13. kolyan760

    kolyan760 Well-Known Member

    here is another one AncientRomanEmpire-Claudius-014000-slab.jpg
     
    kolyan760, Jun 10, 2020
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  14. kolyan760

    kolyan760 Well-Known Member

    not anymore you mean ??
     

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    kolyan760, Jun 10, 2020
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  15. Barry Murphy

    Barry Murphy Well-Known Member

    kolyan760, please read the previous comments.

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  16. kolyan760

    kolyan760 Well-Known Member

    Oops I didn’t read whole comments
     
    kolyan760, Jun 10, 2020
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  17. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Who owns my old Sandy Claudius now, I wonder?
     
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  18. Barry Murphy

    Barry Murphy Well-Known Member

    Both of these coins have original "real" dirt, not applied sand. Both will grade without comment.

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  19. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    This was a gift
    Claudius 7.jpg
    CLAUDIUS
    AE As
    OBVERSE: TI CLAVDIVS CAESAR AVG PM TR P IMP P P, bare head left.
    REVERSE: Minerva advancing right, holding shield and brandishing a javelin, S-C across fields
    Struck at Rome, 50-4AD
    10.5g, 25mm
    RIC 116
     
    Bing, Jun 10, 2020
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  20. Aurelianus

    Aurelianus Member

    Barry - double checking, are you referring to my Constantine and Maximian bronzes? Just saw this, thanks again for chiming in on this thread.
     
    Aurelianus, Jun 25, 2020
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  21. Aurelianus

    Aurelianus Member

    Hey all,

    Grades came back today w/o comment as Barry said...

    Constantine I: Ch VF, Strike: 5/5, Surface: 4/5

    Maximian I: XF, Strike: 5/5, Surface: 3/5
     
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