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<p>[QUOTE="Tejas, post: 4372008, member: 84905"]The phrase "most scholars agree ..." in academia is often short for "I think that is right, but I can't be bothered to look it up .."</p><p><br /></p><p>V.N. Kleshchinov is the book (booklet) to go for. He links the coins to Roman garrisons on the Bosporous and Sarmatians who copied these coins (pp 6-8).</p><p><br /></p><p>Kazamanova explicitly called the coin "Coins of the unknown people" not "Coins of the "Goths and related German tribes".</p><p><br /></p><p>"Related German tribes" would be the Heruls. Yet, it is completely out of the question that the Heruls, who were more like warrior bands than a people, actually minted coins. Indeed, Heruls existed until around 570 and they never minted any coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>In contradiction to Sergeev, the archaeological and historical timeline for Gothic migrations to the Taman goes like this:</p><p>1. The Goths who lived along the Dniepr river were "ousted" by the Huns in around 375. As a result Gothic groups moved westwards into south eastern Europe and southwards into the Crimean.</p><p>3. Archaeological cultural goods associated with the Goths (Chernyakhov Culture) become visible in the archaeological record of the Crimean in the 5th century.</p><p>4. Goths moved from the Crimean Peninsula to the Taman Peninsula in the late 5th or early 6th century.</p><p><br /></p><p>In conclusion, of all the peoples who lived in and around the Taman Peninsula, we can safely exclude "Goths and related German tribes" as originators of these coins. I don't know if V.N. Kleshchinov's theory that Roman garrisons produced these coins, at least initially, is correct or not. However, I think it was probably such garrisons and military service at these garrisons which brought various Sarmatian peoples into contact with Roman coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>This is not to say that the Goths didn't mint coins. Besides the numerous copies of Roman aureii, there are large numbers of copies of Roman denarii found in western Ukraine, Moldova and southeastern Poland, which were most likely produced by the Goths, who were the dominant people in the region at the time. </p><p><br /></p><p>This is my latest purchase of such a probably early Gothic imitation. The coin was found in western Ukraine and I think it dates to the second half of the 3rd century. And of course, I love the eight-legged horse.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1103822[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Tejas, post: 4372008, member: 84905"]The phrase "most scholars agree ..." in academia is often short for "I think that is right, but I can't be bothered to look it up .." V.N. Kleshchinov is the book (booklet) to go for. He links the coins to Roman garrisons on the Bosporous and Sarmatians who copied these coins (pp 6-8). Kazamanova explicitly called the coin "Coins of the unknown people" not "Coins of the "Goths and related German tribes". "Related German tribes" would be the Heruls. Yet, it is completely out of the question that the Heruls, who were more like warrior bands than a people, actually minted coins. Indeed, Heruls existed until around 570 and they never minted any coins. In contradiction to Sergeev, the archaeological and historical timeline for Gothic migrations to the Taman goes like this: 1. The Goths who lived along the Dniepr river were "ousted" by the Huns in around 375. As a result Gothic groups moved westwards into south eastern Europe and southwards into the Crimean. 3. Archaeological cultural goods associated with the Goths (Chernyakhov Culture) become visible in the archaeological record of the Crimean in the 5th century. 4. Goths moved from the Crimean Peninsula to the Taman Peninsula in the late 5th or early 6th century. In conclusion, of all the peoples who lived in and around the Taman Peninsula, we can safely exclude "Goths and related German tribes" as originators of these coins. I don't know if V.N. Kleshchinov's theory that Roman garrisons produced these coins, at least initially, is correct or not. However, I think it was probably such garrisons and military service at these garrisons which brought various Sarmatian peoples into contact with Roman coins. This is not to say that the Goths didn't mint coins. Besides the numerous copies of Roman aureii, there are large numbers of copies of Roman denarii found in western Ukraine, Moldova and southeastern Poland, which were most likely produced by the Goths, who were the dominant people in the region at the time. This is my latest purchase of such a probably early Gothic imitation. The coin was found in western Ukraine and I think it dates to the second half of the 3rd century. And of course, I love the eight-legged horse. [ATTACH=full]1103822[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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