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<p>[QUOTE="Lolli, post: 3262383, member: 96900"]Dealers and auction houses have the coins in hand and they do miss fakes and coin collectors are only seening the coins on pictures and they are able to see that these coins are fake and later even the dealer or auction house agrees and withdraws the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>It is important that you have a good numismatic expert who is familiar with this issue if you want to have a realiable expertise and then it is not important if this expert has the coin in hand or if he sees the coin on a high quality high resolution picture.</p><p><br /></p><p>It is completely nonsense that it is not possible to authenticate coins from pictures!</p><p>On high resolution pictures you can often see much better details than even with the normal magnification which most dealers and experts use. And pictures of the ege and weight, size, and die axis alloy should given, too.</p><p>With a magnifier you can see only a part of the coin magnified on a picture you see the whole coin magnified and you can so even better compare the coin with other coins from the same dies on PC.</p><p><br /></p><p>It is well possible to condemn coins as fakes in pictures, cast fakes with twins if the host is know, modern die fake (sometimes even the dies are known), electrotype fakes, cast fakes, transfer die fakes ...</p><p><br /></p><p>And sometimes expert can have different or no opinion when it comes to one and the same coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>@</p><p><font size="4"><b><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/members/thierry-pruvost.97985/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/members/thierry-pruvost.97985/">Thierry Pruvost</a></b></font></p><p><br /></p><p>You can look in museum collections if there are specimens form the same dies or die links to your coin !</p><p>Since when are coins from the same dies known?</p><p>Is the style correct for issue, are more coins with same style from same artist know, artists generally made more than one die for the mint they were working.</p><p>Is the fabric, struck or pressed?</p><p>Is the alloy correct for issue?</p><p>Are this coins struck at a specivic die axis?</p><p>IS the weight ok for issue?</p><p>Is the flan shape correct?</p><p>And so on</p><p><br /></p><p>I can not tell with 100% certainty if it is a 100% die match to this fakes sold by fake sellers on ebay recently but I think it is a die match, some differences can be explained by striking and from different die state.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://coinvac.crabdance.com/26679/subcategory_id/6298/page/0/keywords/Delos/search2/yes/date_to/2018-12-13/use_checkboxes/0/search_title/on/period/all/period/all/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://coinvac.crabdance.com/26679/subcategory_id/6298/page/0/keywords/Delos/search2/yes/date_to/2018-12-13/use_checkboxes/0/search_title/on/period/all/period/all/" rel="nofollow">http://coinvac.crabdance.com/26679/subcategory_id/6298/page/0/keywords/Delos/search2/yes/date_to/2018-12-13/use_checkboxes/0/search_title/on/period/all/period/all/</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://coinvac.crabdance.com/2147055/subcategory_id/6299/page/0/keywords/CYCLADES/search2/yes/date_to/2018-12-13/use_checkboxes/0/search_title/on/period/all/period/all/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://coinvac.crabdance.com/2147055/subcategory_id/6299/page/0/keywords/CYCLADES/search2/yes/date_to/2018-12-13/use_checkboxes/0/search_title/on/period/all/period/all/" rel="nofollow">http://coinvac.crabdance.com/2147055/subcategory_id/6299/page/0/keywords/CYCLADES/search2/yes/date_to/2018-12-13/use_checkboxes/0/search_title/on/period/all/period/all/</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://coinvac.crabdance.com/2096626/subcategory_id/6299/page/0/keywords/CYCLADES/search2/yes/date_to/2018-12-13/use_checkboxes/0/search_title/on/period/all/period/all/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://coinvac.crabdance.com/2096626/subcategory_id/6299/page/0/keywords/CYCLADES/search2/yes/date_to/2018-12-13/use_checkboxes/0/search_title/on/period/all/period/all/" rel="nofollow">http://coinvac.crabdance.com/2096626/subcategory_id/6299/page/0/keywords/CYCLADES/search2/yes/date_to/2018-12-13/use_checkboxes/0/search_title/on/period/all/period/all/</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://coinvac.crabdance.com/2077655/subcategory_id/6299/page/0/keywords/CYCLADES/search2/yes/date_to/2018-12-13/use_checkboxes/0/search_title/on/period/all/period/all/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://coinvac.crabdance.com/2077655/subcategory_id/6299/page/0/keywords/CYCLADES/search2/yes/date_to/2018-12-13/use_checkboxes/0/search_title/on/period/all/period/all/" rel="nofollow">http://coinvac.crabdance.com/2077655/subcategory_id/6299/page/0/keywords/CYCLADES/search2/yes/date_to/2018-12-13/use_checkboxes/0/search_title/on/period/all/period/all/</a></p><p><br /></p><p>I do not like the coin and I would be very surprised if it would turn out to be authentic.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Lolli, post: 3262383, member: 96900"]Dealers and auction houses have the coins in hand and they do miss fakes and coin collectors are only seening the coins on pictures and they are able to see that these coins are fake and later even the dealer or auction house agrees and withdraws the coin. It is important that you have a good numismatic expert who is familiar with this issue if you want to have a realiable expertise and then it is not important if this expert has the coin in hand or if he sees the coin on a high quality high resolution picture. It is completely nonsense that it is not possible to authenticate coins from pictures! On high resolution pictures you can often see much better details than even with the normal magnification which most dealers and experts use. And pictures of the ege and weight, size, and die axis alloy should given, too. With a magnifier you can see only a part of the coin magnified on a picture you see the whole coin magnified and you can so even better compare the coin with other coins from the same dies on PC. It is well possible to condemn coins as fakes in pictures, cast fakes with twins if the host is know, modern die fake (sometimes even the dies are known), electrotype fakes, cast fakes, transfer die fakes ... And sometimes expert can have different or no opinion when it comes to one and the same coin. @ [SIZE=4][B][URL='https://www.cointalk.com/members/thierry-pruvost.97985/']Thierry Pruvost[/URL][/B][/SIZE] You can look in museum collections if there are specimens form the same dies or die links to your coin ! Since when are coins from the same dies known? Is the style correct for issue, are more coins with same style from same artist know, artists generally made more than one die for the mint they were working. Is the fabric, struck or pressed? Is the alloy correct for issue? Are this coins struck at a specivic die axis? IS the weight ok for issue? Is the flan shape correct? And so on I can not tell with 100% certainty if it is a 100% die match to this fakes sold by fake sellers on ebay recently but I think it is a die match, some differences can be explained by striking and from different die state. [url]http://coinvac.crabdance.com/26679/subcategory_id/6298/page/0/keywords/Delos/search2/yes/date_to/2018-12-13/use_checkboxes/0/search_title/on/period/all/period/all/[/url] [url]http://coinvac.crabdance.com/2147055/subcategory_id/6299/page/0/keywords/CYCLADES/search2/yes/date_to/2018-12-13/use_checkboxes/0/search_title/on/period/all/period/all/[/url] [url]http://coinvac.crabdance.com/2096626/subcategory_id/6299/page/0/keywords/CYCLADES/search2/yes/date_to/2018-12-13/use_checkboxes/0/search_title/on/period/all/period/all/[/url] [url]http://coinvac.crabdance.com/2077655/subcategory_id/6299/page/0/keywords/CYCLADES/search2/yes/date_to/2018-12-13/use_checkboxes/0/search_title/on/period/all/period/all/[/url] I do not like the coin and I would be very surprised if it would turn out to be authentic.[/QUOTE]
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