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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;kaparthy, post: 29993, member: 57463&quot;]1.&nbsp; The mark of value does not need to be understandable?&nbsp; Any mark of any type can be taken as a mark of value?&nbsp; How does anyone know what mark is a mark of value if it is not spelled out?&nbsp; What makes a Silver Dollar different from A Military Medal of Honor, aside from the ribbon? There are differences between a &quot;coin&quot; and a &quot;medal.&quot;&nbsp; Those differences are important, but complicated and not easy to spell out in a one-line &quot;dictionary definition.&quot;&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>2.&nbsp; If a &quot;mark of value&quot; is required for a coin, then, historically, most coins fail that standard.&nbsp; They do carry marks.&nbsp; Those marks are recognized, but those are not &quot;marks of value.&quot;&nbsp; The name of the king is easy to read.&nbsp; <b>If the coin has no stated value, then it has no stated value.</b>&nbsp; By British Law for many years, silver coins were accepted for taxes by <u>count</u>. However, gold coins were <u>weighed.</u>&nbsp; This means that by law, the lawful gold coins of the king himself were not &quot;coins&quot; by the &quot;dictionary definition.&quot;&nbsp; This applies to the British Gold Sovereign which even today carries no mark of value.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>The so-called &quot;dictionary definition&quot; might be fine for the average person in average circumstances.&nbsp; The question <u>&quot;What is a coin?&quot;</u> is being asked among <u>numismatists.</u></b> </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>What makes a government is that it is recognized by other governments.&nbsp; The CSA had no more reality than Sealand or Hutt River Principality. No other governments recognized the CSA.&nbsp; <b>I agree 100% that all of them are governments. </b>&nbsp; The Confederacy, Biafra, Katanga, Seborgia, Christiania, Patagonia, North Korea, South VietNam, Deseret, they are all governments.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>Not everyone else agrees -- in fact most people do not.&nbsp; Our own federal government via the Federal Trade Commission prosecuted a dealer for selling as &quot;coins&quot; the coins of the HRP on the grounds that HRP was not a &quot;real&quot; government since no other government recognized it.&nbsp; Again, that is only half the problem.&nbsp; The fact that to be a &quot;government&quot; you must be recognized by other &quot;governments&quot; should have nothing to do with the &quot;coin-ness&quot; of a coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>Consider the other side of the coin.&nbsp; The colonial governments were corporations.&nbsp; Therefore, corporations have the right to issue coins. Therefore the coins of General Motors, Walt Disney Corporation, etc., etc., are all coins.&nbsp; A corporation is an artificial individual.&nbsp; It can have no more rights than a real individual.&nbsp; Therefore, if corporations can issue coins, then other individuals can as well.&nbsp; Consequently, to be a coin, a coin does not need to be issued by a government. Any entity -- individual; corporation; co-operative; government; community club -- can issue a coin.&nbsp; The &quot;coin-ness&quot; of a coin is independent of who issues it.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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