Definition of what is a coin.

"How do we classify a "coin" struck by a Roman general who never received approval by the Senate before being defeated by a rival? The general was only that, just a soldier with a lot of temporary comrades, and not a "government." Yet, his coins are still coins". Mike.

If I remember my history correctly, The earlier Roman Generals were all from the ruling families of Rome and were responsible with raising, arming and paying their own soldiers. Especially when Rome was a "Republic". The up side was that they got to keep most of the spoils. Why Julius Caesar himself might have been the biggest slave trader of all time with the Celtic POW's and others that he defeated, which made him from being rich to being the richest man in Rome before assuming his titles which then led to his death for he was becoming to powerful for the other "ruling" families. Now since these Generals were in effect Rome, they could mint their own coins to pay their own troops and their coins would be backed and represented by the might of Rome, which was their armies. So the Roman coin is in effect a "Roman" coin.
At least that is what I think

 

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Well,the Imperial East Africa Company issued coins for Mombasa in 1888.The Imperial East Africa
Company,like the East India Company & the British
South Africa Company,was a governing organisation that was chartered by the British Crown.It was the East India Company's policies that was a direct cause of the Indian Mutiny of 1857-58,so the British Crown was forced to step in as a result.The British South Africa Company was dominated by Cecil Rhodes,the famous imperialist who dreamed of a British Empire in Africa that stretched from Cairo to the Cape of Good Hope.The B.S.A.C. ruled Rhodesia until 1923,when the British
Crown stepped in & granted responsible government to both Northern & Southern Rhodesia.
The only contribution to numismatics that the B.S.A.C. made was the emergency stamp card banknotes of Bulawayo in 1900.

 

"It was the East India Company's policies that was a direct cause of the Indian Mutiny of 1857-58,so the British Crown was forced to step in as a result.The British South Africa Company was dominated by Cecil Rhodes,the famous imperialist who dreamed of a British Empire in Africa that stretched from Cairo to the Cape of Good Hope""

I think that backs my point that the trading companies were fronts or extensions for their home nations expansion of power and were backed by those home nation's army.

 

Andy, GD didn't use a canoe! He had it brought in by stagecoach because it was over the weight limit for the pony express! Looks great in his yard!

 

Not to get off topic crystalk but how does a world class diver like GD get stuck up in a land lock state and on top of a mountain at that? I wonder if he got there for he was looking for that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow to add to his collection

 

What's that Andy - you never heard of Yap stone money ?

 

We get the Simpsons over here in New Zealand.They are all re-runs nowadays.

 

Ben,here is what you are looking for.

Aidan.

 

Problem with that definition. Maybe I'm just nitpicking, but where does that put bullion coins, that trade at their intrinsic value of their metal rather than their nominal face value? Or coins with a numismatic value in excess of their face value? Are all commemorative coins that trade at a premium above their face value what you call "medal-coins," even if they're perfectly legal tender, and could circulated if people chose to do so (even if they probably won't)? What about coins in proof sets? They certaintly don't trade at their face value, and probably won't circulate, are they "medal-coins" too?

If I had the mind to, could I break one of those $5 New Zealand coins out of its holder, and trade it for $5 worth of goods in New Zealand? If so, doesn't that still make it a coin?

That's my basic problem with that term; it's imprecise and far too open to interpretation, there's no telling whether or not two different people using the term mean the same thing by it.

I'm about to just give up on this, but I hope you see why some people have a problem with this term, and why this term is not in common use in the numismatic community.

 

A blast from the past thread.
We had Reid Goldsborough fencing with MMarotta, well usually they did..I don't remember if they did here.
We had Sylvester who I havn't seen post in a long time.
And we have Suelynn who was most likely even then plotting to take over the internet coinsite website domain!!!!

As well as the point of medal coins.

I'm listing mine on e-bay in a fortnight within the United Kingdom and British Commonwealth domain.

 

Which coins are you putting on eBay,Andy.I didn't think there was a British Commonwealth category on eBay for either banknotes or coins.

Aidan.

 

Excuse me, I was just joking there for I know how excited you are about the subject and I meant like the european version of e-bay but I do have a couple of dozen or so of George Washington Carver and Booker T. Washington commerative silver coins or coin medals that I was planning on unloading on e-bay this summer as well as other silver stuff.

 

dup...

 

i dont collect much in the way of foreign or ancient coinage .. but i do remember Sylvester was always a great asset to that department!!!

oops - SORRY .. off topic

 

By that definition US large cents and half cents were not coins. They were issued from 1793 to 1857, but cents were not legal tender until 1864 and half cents were not legal tender until 1965. (That's not a typo 1965)

Yes bullion pieces, commemoratives, proofs etc are "medal coins"

 

Definitely an old thread,but it has proven to be a really good one though,as the information is still relevent.

Aidan.