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<p>[QUOTE="Jaelus, post: 3566563, member: 46237"]Why not 3 as well? If you have a piece with a prototype design or planchet and that design or planchet is accepted, that doesn't make the piece no longer a prototype (though it may be harder to identify).</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Some great insights. I suspect you are correct.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>This category is a bit trickier for sure. For world patterns of this category, many have distinguishing marks added to denote them as trial pieces, which makes them easier to identify. Unfortunately the US does not do this, however, after the design is approved, successive coins produced with that design are frequently struck from different dies from those used to strike pattern pieces. As a result of this, unmarked category 3 patterns may sometimes be distinguishable through die analysis. As an example in US patterns, I believe this is the method used for identifying (at least some) Eisenhower dollar patterns.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Very true, or in some cases were unauthorized pieces made by mint employees. For example in soviet era Hungary, sometimes mint employees would make illicit strikes in copper of some of the gold issues (the gold proofs were only made for export). While they are off-metal strikes, they are of course not true off-metal patterns but are really fantasy pieces as you mentioned. These grey area coins can be identified when the source and intent of production are known.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>If I read this right you're talking about pieces that look like fantasy patterns but are made unofficially and should be considered tokens. I agree with that.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>You're right I forgot about that. I completely agree those would be patterns as well. Category 7 then - An approved type produced with an experimental minting technology.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Jaelus, post: 3566563, member: 46237"]Why not 3 as well? If you have a piece with a prototype design or planchet and that design or planchet is accepted, that doesn't make the piece no longer a prototype (though it may be harder to identify). Some great insights. I suspect you are correct. This category is a bit trickier for sure. For world patterns of this category, many have distinguishing marks added to denote them as trial pieces, which makes them easier to identify. Unfortunately the US does not do this, however, after the design is approved, successive coins produced with that design are frequently struck from different dies from those used to strike pattern pieces. As a result of this, unmarked category 3 patterns may sometimes be distinguishable through die analysis. As an example in US patterns, I believe this is the method used for identifying (at least some) Eisenhower dollar patterns. Very true, or in some cases were unauthorized pieces made by mint employees. For example in soviet era Hungary, sometimes mint employees would make illicit strikes in copper of some of the gold issues (the gold proofs were only made for export). While they are off-metal strikes, they are of course not true off-metal patterns but are really fantasy pieces as you mentioned. These grey area coins can be identified when the source and intent of production are known. If I read this right you're talking about pieces that look like fantasy patterns but are made unofficially and should be considered tokens. I agree with that. You're right I forgot about that. I completely agree those would be patterns as well. Category 7 then - An approved type produced with an experimental minting technology.[/QUOTE]
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