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<p>[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 2016893, member: 15309"]Oh no, not the dreaded 2004 TPG magical loosening of standards again. Tell ya what, just get me one grader at NGC or PCGS to admit that it happened and I will believe you.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Um, I'm not 15 years old, so yes, I was around in the 90's. However, I spent my time buying blast white premium gem Mercury Dimes during that time period and was really not interested in auction price spreads within grades, so no I do not recall seeing them. What I do remember is that it was much harder to find slabbed coins back then and that even the major auction houses like Heritage offered raw coins. The TPGs did not have a stranglehold on the market like they do now and populations changed drastically for many date/mms across a great many series. Sounds like a good reason for price variances to me.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I just explained to you in my previous post how having all the coins concentrated in a small number of grades would cause the prices of the conditionally rare grades to increase dramatically. Something would change, the "variances" as you call them would be much, much bigger. That is Mike's point and it is valid whether you admit it or not. </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>The reason you see them is because the TPG's started making allowances for high point wear on Saints shortly after they started grading coins. I have discussed this topic at length with Saintguru on the PCGS forums. He has collected high end Saints for a very long time. He agreed with the PCGS statement that almost every Saint he has seen has some measure of high point friction. I don't really need to walk the bourse floor at an auction with you when a lifelong collector of high end Saints has already confirmed. And IIRC, some of the other members of this forum whom you hold in high regard also agreed with the PCGS statement. Leadfoot comes to mind![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 2016893, member: 15309"]Oh no, not the dreaded 2004 TPG magical loosening of standards again. Tell ya what, just get me one grader at NGC or PCGS to admit that it happened and I will believe you. Um, I'm not 15 years old, so yes, I was around in the 90's. However, I spent my time buying blast white premium gem Mercury Dimes during that time period and was really not interested in auction price spreads within grades, so no I do not recall seeing them. What I do remember is that it was much harder to find slabbed coins back then and that even the major auction houses like Heritage offered raw coins. The TPGs did not have a stranglehold on the market like they do now and populations changed drastically for many date/mms across a great many series. Sounds like a good reason for price variances to me. I just explained to you in my previous post how having all the coins concentrated in a small number of grades would cause the prices of the conditionally rare grades to increase dramatically. Something would change, the "variances" as you call them would be much, much bigger. That is Mike's point and it is valid whether you admit it or not. The reason you see them is because the TPG's started making allowances for high point wear on Saints shortly after they started grading coins. I have discussed this topic at length with Saintguru on the PCGS forums. He has collected high end Saints for a very long time. He agreed with the PCGS statement that almost every Saint he has seen has some measure of high point friction. I don't really need to walk the bourse floor at an auction with you when a lifelong collector of high end Saints has already confirmed. And IIRC, some of the other members of this forum whom you hold in high regard also agreed with the PCGS statement. Leadfoot comes to mind![/QUOTE]
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