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<p>[QUOTE="Insider, post: 2785039, member: 24314"]I saw this last night <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie104" alt=":yawn:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />. </p><p><br /></p><p>"moneycostingmemoney, posted: "Hey, I remember you... Thanks for your input, but I'll take words on maturity from those that aren't young enough to be one of mine. That didn't mean that young people can't be mature, but if you were you would know that saying something like that to someone that is older than you isn't a smart thing to do. You open yourself up to a slew of learning that obviously hasn't happened to you yet, so <b>I'll take it easy. You're wrong.</b> <span style="color: #b30000"><b>Am I?</b></span> You are answering a loaded question with one word. <b>You don't have enough information</b> to form a direct and intelligent answer. What kind of coins are they trying to clean? <b><span style="color: #b30000">Good point! "Fingering" or scrubbing a circulated coin is different than doing it to an Uncirculated/Proof specimen. Nevertheless, it is not recommended to clean circ's as they usually turn out ugly. </span></b>Is that how they want to build their collection? <b><span style="color: #b30000">AFAIK, there is no way yet to protect coins from the uninformed. Well, I guess a sealed slab works so I'm wrong. </span></b>Understanding and maturity come from experiences and upbringing. It's something you can't rush or force...it just is what it is when it is time. <b><span style="color: #b30000">Hopefully, you'll reach that stage ...when its time. </span></b> You can think that <b>oil from your skin will melt your coins.</b>..<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> <b><span style="color: #b30000">Actually, corrode is a better word. I don't know you but I'm going to share a secret that the mature collectors know. Try this. Get a brand new shiny copper cent and finger it up with your soft pinky. Put it aside and watch it. By the time your prints appear, I'll bet you'll have a totally new opinion of the folks trying to help you here and touching the surfaces of your coins. </span></b>I'm not going to kill that Easter bunny <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie90" alt=":spitoutdummy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> for you. I just ask that you reflect on something for a minute. It requires no knowledge of chemistry or metallurgy (different from numismatology). Imagine what coins are and what they do, where they go and how long they last. Think of all the hands and trays and bags and pockets that have touched them thousands upon thousands and thousands of times. <b><span style="color: #b30000">There is a big difference between circulated coins and coins that show no signs of circulation. We differentiate them by assigning grades. Mature (knowledgeable) collectors know how to handle coins. </span></b> Does it seem logical to you that if you are already protecting it that you can't touch it? And by it I mean the obverse and reverse of the coin. <b>I can see</b> <b>wiping it</b> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie57" alt=":jawdrop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie15" alt=":arghh:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie92" alt=":stop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />before placing it in a sealed slab... <b><span style="color: #b30000">Perhaps you should adjust your glasses.</span></b> or other protective casing so that the oil doesn't, OVER TIME, damage the natural coloring of the coin, but do you honestly think that the skin on your fingers is so tough and strong that you can damage or wipe the devices clean off of it? <b><span style="color: #b30000">Actually, the devices will remain and if you have</span></b> <b><span style="color: #b30000">any contamination on your fingers you will leave chemical or abrasive traces on the coin's surface. </span></b>See that is an example of a non-loaded question. All the angles are covered and give you the opportunity to form a direct and intelligent answer if you have one you want to share." <b><span style="color: #b30000">Just did, hope you learned something...I sure did<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />!</span></b>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Insider, post: 2785039, member: 24314"]I saw this last night :yawn:. "moneycostingmemoney, posted: "Hey, I remember you... Thanks for your input, but I'll take words on maturity from those that aren't young enough to be one of mine. That didn't mean that young people can't be mature, but if you were you would know that saying something like that to someone that is older than you isn't a smart thing to do. You open yourself up to a slew of learning that obviously hasn't happened to you yet, so [B]I'll take it easy. You're wrong.[/B] [COLOR=#b30000][B]Am I?[/B][/COLOR] You are answering a loaded question with one word. [B]You don't have enough information[/B] to form a direct and intelligent answer. What kind of coins are they trying to clean? [B][COLOR=#b30000]Good point! "Fingering" or scrubbing a circulated coin is different than doing it to an Uncirculated/Proof specimen. Nevertheless, it is not recommended to clean circ's as they usually turn out ugly. [/COLOR][/B]Is that how they want to build their collection? [B][COLOR=#b30000]AFAIK, there is no way yet to protect coins from the uninformed. Well, I guess a sealed slab works so I'm wrong. [/COLOR][/B]Understanding and maturity come from experiences and upbringing. It's something you can't rush or force...it just is what it is when it is time. [B][COLOR=#b30000]Hopefully, you'll reach that stage ...when its time. [/COLOR][/B] You can think that [B]oil from your skin will melt your coins.[/B]..:rolleyes: [B][COLOR=#b30000]Actually, corrode is a better word. I don't know you but I'm going to share a secret that the mature collectors know. Try this. Get a brand new shiny copper cent and finger it up with your soft pinky. Put it aside and watch it. By the time your prints appear, I'll bet you'll have a totally new opinion of the folks trying to help you here and touching the surfaces of your coins. [/COLOR][/B]I'm not going to kill that Easter bunny :spitoutdummy: for you. I just ask that you reflect on something for a minute. It requires no knowledge of chemistry or metallurgy (different from numismatology). Imagine what coins are and what they do, where they go and how long they last. Think of all the hands and trays and bags and pockets that have touched them thousands upon thousands and thousands of times. [B][COLOR=#b30000]There is a big difference between circulated coins and coins that show no signs of circulation. We differentiate them by assigning grades. Mature (knowledgeable) collectors know how to handle coins. [/COLOR][/B] Does it seem logical to you that if you are already protecting it that you can't touch it? And by it I mean the obverse and reverse of the coin. [B]I can see[/B] [B]wiping it[/B] :jawdrop::arghh::stop:before placing it in a sealed slab... [B][COLOR=#b30000]Perhaps you should adjust your glasses.[/COLOR][/B] or other protective casing so that the oil doesn't, OVER TIME, damage the natural coloring of the coin, but do you honestly think that the skin on your fingers is so tough and strong that you can damage or wipe the devices clean off of it? [B][COLOR=#b30000]Actually, the devices will remain and if you have[/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=#b30000]any contamination on your fingers you will leave chemical or abrasive traces on the coin's surface. [/COLOR][/B]See that is an example of a non-loaded question. All the angles are covered and give you the opportunity to form a direct and intelligent answer if you have one you want to share." [B][COLOR=#b30000]Just did, hope you learned something...I sure did:facepalm:![/COLOR][/B][/QUOTE]
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