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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;GDJMSP, post: 3068895, member: 112&quot;]The debate, argument, differences of opinion, call it what you will, expressed in this thread point out to me to me anyway the need to use the correct terminology when discussing this subject. It&#039;s the same thing I&#039;ve posted about a hundred times - cleaned vs harshly/improperly cleaned. Only then can you provide definitions. And it&#039;s pretty simple, but then most things are.</p><p><br /></p><p>Cleaned, (or properly cleaned if you want to put a finer point on it), means no harm was done to the coin. Harshly/improperly cleaned means harm was done to the coin. And if you want to look at it a different way - a cleaned coin is gradeable, and a harshly cleaned coin is not gradeable.</p><p><br /></p><p>I think what some are doing in this thread is trying to define methods, not the terms themselves. There are literally thousands of methods - but there are only 2 terms. And that&#039;s where the debate comes into play because a lot of folks simply cannot agree on whether or not some methods are harmful. But that, that is purely a matter of personal opinion. I say that because the definitions, the defining factors, have been in place and accepted in the numismatic community as a whole for longer that any of us have been alive ! </p><p><br /></p><p>Now do you have to agree with the numismatic community ? No, you don&#039;t. And nobody can <u>make</u> you do so. However, doing so is like arguing with the dictionary - a cause that is lost before it ever begins.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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