Decent condition coins with rust

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Likeaboss194, Feb 21, 2015.

  1. Likeaboss194

    Likeaboss194 Member

    I have a few old coins (including 1921 s buffalo nickel) they look like they are in decent condition, but they have like rust or something on them is that a big factor that lowers value/ condition, or is that not a deciding factor?
     

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  3. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    Looks more like environmental damage rather than rust. Also see some pitting. Yes, that would affect value and appeal.
     
  4. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    US coins (other than 1943 steel cents) don't actually "rust," FYI. Any time you see pitting like this on a coin, it's environmental damage, as @tommyc03 stated, and it decreases the value.
     
  5. Likeaboss194

    Likeaboss194 Member

    It was found in an abandoned car that my grandfather bought to restore from Minnesota it had been inside the car since 1939 so yea I was out in the environment for a long time. But it isn't very worn so it can't be the worst condition possible? Right?
     
  6. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    What is the date? And I see a mint mark on the reverse also, what is the MM? Overall it appears to be in almost good condition so value would depend upon knowing this.
     
  7. Likeaboss194

    Likeaboss194 Member

    On the back of the coin you can still see almost all the detail and the front isn't too worn so it can't be to bad
     
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  9. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    This is a better date/MM and trends in Good at around $60.00. About half that in A.G.
     
  10. Likeaboss194

    Likeaboss194 Member

    So the condition would be rated "good"
     
  11. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    You would need to look at a grading guide to determine what you actually have in hand as the pictures can sometimes be deceiving to look at here. This considered a semi key coin in this series so do NOT clean it. Grade it first.
     
  12. Likeaboss194

    Likeaboss194 Member

    I won't clean it. Would it be a bad or good idea to get it graded
     
  13. coinzip

    coinzip Well-Known Member

    Its not worth sending to a third party grader in my opinion...
     
  14. rickmp

    rickmp Frequently flatulent.

    It's commonly called rust when it's on steel.
    It's commonly called toning or tarnish when it's on silver or nickel or copper.
    All are due to oxidation of the metal, so rust is not an improper description of the surface damage.
     
  15. doug5353

    doug5353 Well-Known Member

    Toning on silver coins is an ultra-thin layer of silver sulfide, not silver oxide. By no means is it even remotely related to "rust".
     
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  16. shiny coins for life

    shiny coins for life Active Member

    I made this mistake and spent 30 bucks on a 1915 S which was corroded it was a good AU condition but the corrosion soured the deal.
     
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  18. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    @doug5353 is completely correct here. There's a big difference between rust of the type that forms on iron or steel and toning we see on silver coins. Rust is flaky and does not adhere to the underlying metal, whereas the silver sulfide/oxide toning we see on coins does adhere to the coin. While a silver coin can be turned completely black due to the thickness of the sulfide/oxide layer not letting light through to the underlying metal, it's not coming off through any mechanical process short of literally filing or abrading it away.

    In this qualitative sense (although not chemically), rust on iron is more similar to bronze disease on ancient coins than it is toning on silver coins, and "lead rot" that one will hear miniature figure collectors refer to at times.
     
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  19. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    While they might have different appearances they are all forms of metal corrosion.
     
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