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<p>[QUOTE="HandsomeToad, post: 412658, member: 12965"]Amen! :thumb: Brother Vic. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> </p><p> </p><p>I've spent almost $500 on books so far, in the past couple three months, and just bought another one yesterday (Vlack's French Billion Coinage In The Americas). I'm still looking for a good deal on the Noyes 2 book set of the early coppers and it'll pop up somewhere. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> But for those who are more limited on their budget, there are many websites with information to help them and, of course, we also have CoinTalk. :thumb: If I have doubt, I'll ask someone and run down the list until I find someone that knows but I have a pretty good idea who knows so it's rare I have to ask more than one person. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Plus, I know how to use Google, which I try to use before asking someone else. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p> </p><p>Ebay is a wonderful source for most anything but you just have to learn what to watch out for, and the way a seller lists something, especially wording, is crucial to nitpick for slight-of-tongue wordage. Here's a perfect example:</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26rd%3D1%26item%3D270262029824%26ssPageName%3DSTRK%3AMEWA%3AIT%26ih%3D017" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26rd%3D1%26item%3D270262029824%26ssPageName%3DSTRK%3AMEWA%3AIT%26ih%3D017" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270262029824&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=017</a></p><p> </p><p>There are no returns and it is sold as-is and the only proof it's genuine, is a vague reference to it being listed in the Red Book, but no mention of what year the Red Book was or what page(s)? I've messaged the seller for this information and haven't heard back from them yet but it was only a couple of hours ago so I may not hear back from them until tonight or tomorrow but if I don't hear back from them, it will make me suspicious. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> If anyone has any knowledge about this coin, I'd appreciate hearing about it. CoinFacts doesn't list it with the ones they discuss but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p> </p><p>I run across tons of listings like that one and unless I know what it is and authentic (to the best of my ability), I either run away or sometimes I'll message the seller for more information and go from there and here's another perfect example:</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26rd%3D1%26item%3D170246500512%26ssPageName%3DSTRK%3AMEWA%3AIT%26ih%3D007" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26rd%3D1%26item%3D170246500512%26ssPageName%3DSTRK%3AMEWA%3AIT%26ih%3D007" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=170246500512&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=007</a></p><p> </p><p>The seller "thinks" one is a Flowing Hair Cent and "thinks" another is a Capped Bust Cent but with the pics, it's practically impossible to tell and they all could be no-date Draped Bust Cents. I emailed the seller and asked for better pics and never heard back from them, so I never bid. There was no guarantee about anything, other than they were five pieces of copper, and for the price they went for, I can get copper cheaper than that. </p><p> </p><p>Remember the Power Of Suggestion and what it does to you, the mention that one Draped Bust Cent, in a group of no-date DBC's, could possibly be a 1804, but they can't quite tell . . . the odds are Infinity-to-0 that one is. Those odds suck so play the Lottery, you have a much better chance at picking a winner! :thumb:</p><p> </p><p>Ribbit <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p> </p><p>Ps: Always be leery of the California Fractionals:</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2F1852-ONE-HALF-CALIFORNIA-GOLD-COIN-SUPERB-Ch-UNC_W0QQitemZ110277987780QQihZ001QQcategoryZ786QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2F1852-ONE-HALF-CALIFORNIA-GOLD-COIN-SUPERB-Ch-UNC_W0QQitemZ110277987780QQihZ001QQcategoryZ786QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/1852-ONE-HALF-CALIFORNIA-GOLD-COIN-SUPERB-Ch-UNC_W0QQitemZ110277987780QQihZ001QQcategoryZ786QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem</a></p><p> </p><p>The odds on Ebay are about 100-to-1 that it <b><u>is</u></b> a cheap copy of the real deal and on the one above, it is a cheap copy and contains no gold. On it, the seller claims it is gold but look at this one:</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26rd%3D1%26item%3D330259208711%26ssPageName%3DSTRK%3AMEWA%3AIT%26ih%3D014" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26rd%3D1%26item%3D330259208711%26ssPageName%3DSTRK%3AMEWA%3AIT%26ih%3D014" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=330259208711&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=014</a></p><p> </p><p>They never once claim the coins are gold and they aren't. I feel sorry for the person that bought them (current bidder) because the only thing valuable in the whole deal, is the box and I don't think it's worth $250.00 because the set of coins isn't worth more than $25.00. <span style="color: red"><b>(NOTE: This set is actually collectable and hard to find. It appears to be missing some paperwork but other than that and being a little high priced, it is a keeper - as per Mike Locke, one of the foremost experts on California Fractionals)</b></span>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="HandsomeToad, post: 412658, member: 12965"]Amen! :thumb: Brother Vic. :D I've spent almost $500 on books so far, in the past couple three months, and just bought another one yesterday (Vlack's French Billion Coinage In The Americas). I'm still looking for a good deal on the Noyes 2 book set of the early coppers and it'll pop up somewhere. :) But for those who are more limited on their budget, there are many websites with information to help them and, of course, we also have CoinTalk. :thumb: If I have doubt, I'll ask someone and run down the list until I find someone that knows but I have a pretty good idea who knows so it's rare I have to ask more than one person. ;) Plus, I know how to use Google, which I try to use before asking someone else. ;) Ebay is a wonderful source for most anything but you just have to learn what to watch out for, and the way a seller lists something, especially wording, is crucial to nitpick for slight-of-tongue wordage. Here's a perfect example: [URL="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26rd%3D1%26item%3D270262029824%26ssPageName%3DSTRK%3AMEWA%3AIT%26ih%3D017"]http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270262029824&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=017[/URL] There are no returns and it is sold as-is and the only proof it's genuine, is a vague reference to it being listed in the Red Book, but no mention of what year the Red Book was or what page(s)? I've messaged the seller for this information and haven't heard back from them yet but it was only a couple of hours ago so I may not hear back from them until tonight or tomorrow but if I don't hear back from them, it will make me suspicious. ;) If anyone has any knowledge about this coin, I'd appreciate hearing about it. CoinFacts doesn't list it with the ones they discuss but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. :rolleyes: I run across tons of listings like that one and unless I know what it is and authentic (to the best of my ability), I either run away or sometimes I'll message the seller for more information and go from there and here's another perfect example: [URL="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26rd%3D1%26item%3D170246500512%26ssPageName%3DSTRK%3AMEWA%3AIT%26ih%3D007"]http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=170246500512&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=007[/URL] The seller "thinks" one is a Flowing Hair Cent and "thinks" another is a Capped Bust Cent but with the pics, it's practically impossible to tell and they all could be no-date Draped Bust Cents. I emailed the seller and asked for better pics and never heard back from them, so I never bid. There was no guarantee about anything, other than they were five pieces of copper, and for the price they went for, I can get copper cheaper than that. Remember the Power Of Suggestion and what it does to you, the mention that one Draped Bust Cent, in a group of no-date DBC's, could possibly be a 1804, but they can't quite tell . . . the odds are Infinity-to-0 that one is. Those odds suck so play the Lottery, you have a much better chance at picking a winner! :thumb: Ribbit :) Ps: Always be leery of the California Fractionals: [URL="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2F1852-ONE-HALF-CALIFORNIA-GOLD-COIN-SUPERB-Ch-UNC_W0QQitemZ110277987780QQihZ001QQcategoryZ786QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.com/1852-ONE-HALF-CALIFORNIA-GOLD-COIN-SUPERB-Ch-UNC_W0QQitemZ110277987780QQihZ001QQcategoryZ786QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem[/URL] The odds on Ebay are about 100-to-1 that it [B][U]is[/U][/B] a cheap copy of the real deal and on the one above, it is a cheap copy and contains no gold. On it, the seller claims it is gold but look at this one: [URL="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26rd%3D1%26item%3D330259208711%26ssPageName%3DSTRK%3AMEWA%3AIT%26ih%3D014"]http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=330259208711&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=014[/URL] They never once claim the coins are gold and they aren't. I feel sorry for the person that bought them (current bidder) because the only thing valuable in the whole deal, is the box and I don't think it's worth $250.00 because the set of coins isn't worth more than $25.00. [COLOR=red][B](NOTE: This set is actually collectable and hard to find. It appears to be missing some paperwork but other than that and being a little high priced, it is a keeper - as per Mike Locke, one of the foremost experts on California Fractionals)[/B][/COLOR][/QUOTE]
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