DDO 1983 FIRST OF ITS KIND EVER PLEASE SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS

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No problem folks. I was not expecting so many different matter of fact opinions but I guess it showed how it goes. Now that I have this link added here, maybe some of yall will join my side but I could be wrong. This picture shows a second strike line just inside the bottom of the rim, starting at about the outside of the O in ONE and fading out close to the rim edge pretty close to the last A in AMERICA. I apologize for all this mess. We should be more united as a people. Again my apologies for my part earlier

 

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A single squeezed die is like a single struck coin. When there’s movement in the chamber or collar, you’re going to get “doubling.” That’s all these modern “doubled dies” are. I think of them as “squeeze doubling,” as they’re not real doubled dies, but akin to strike doubling.

 

First of all, welcome to CT @Vincent White. I don't do links, so never saw the photos but read all of the posts. I live remote and any time I have to click on a link, I use up my Hughes Net satellite download allotment, so try to limit what I click on.
One of the things I "preach" about is posted photos. The following is my usual post for new comers and others.
For the best results, you should post "in focus," FULL IMAGE photos (after you upload your photo, two buttons appear: Thumbnail and Full Image, click Full Image and your photo appears full size on your post and are easily enlarged by clicking on it). Photograph coins on neutral backgrounds like black, grey, or white. Crop out superfluous background so just the coin shows (you can use https://www.remove.bg for free), and post photos with correct orientation so members don't have to turn their computer in some awkward fashion to view it properly. While it isn’t always necessary, it is nice to show both the obverse and reverse, even if your question is just about one side. Members can often give more valuable information having both sides to evaluate. Add close ups of areas you have questions about and make your questions as definitive as possible so we know what you are asking for. And try to have the best lighting possible to show the most favorable photo of the coin. Hope this helps in the future. Good luck.

 

To settle any discussion about what you have, CONECA will attribute your coin, one way or the other, for $6 for non-members. I think it might be worth it for you to submit your coin so you, and others, will know for sure what you have.

 

Personally I'm not a big fan of throwing good money after bad.

 

I agree that we should call these something else, like "machine-doubled die" (MDD) to make it clear that the cause is not the same after the advent of single-press hubbing. It's great that people document these things, but there's 151 "doubled die"s listed on Wexler for 2009-P cents alone, and it's tough for me to consider them interesting or valuable.

 

Unfortunately I think the good folks in relentless pursuit of identifying and classifying these errors prefer the confusion with doubled dies simply because they can describe them as accurately as we are and yet they're not. And they're the experts, and we're not. Go figure...

 

Interesting thread. I spent the last couple of hours reading the links that others have posted and doing my own internet searches regarding doubled dies and "worthless doubling."

Thought this site had some interesting information on the subject:
http://www.doubleddie.com/144801.html

I suspect that getting back into this hobby is going to suck up a lot of my free time - so much to learn.

 

I completely got away from moderns because of the numerous causes of doubling, I can explain the various causes, but recognizing which was which just seems out of my grasp. This is particularly true with minor doubling or a shift of less than the width of the stoke of the letters.

Die doubling comes from the making of a die.

Mechanical Doubling comes from the striking of the planchet.

Die Deterioration Doubling comes from the Deterioration of each die before it is taken out of use.

A fourth type is photographic doubling which comes from the process of photographing the coin, It's not actually doubling on the coin at all. It is sometimes caused by a surface between the lense and the surface of the coin like with Unc sets and Proof sets photographed through the cellophane.

 

Don't forget ejection doubling.

 

Don't do that. I've been collecting for fifty years and still can't tell some things while an expert on others.

I can attribute an Early Date Large Cent with the best of them, but I can't spot the recent fakes.

All i can do is figure out which variety was being counterfeited or faked.

I'll just leave you with one question to ask yourself. Are you trying to figure it out for the knowledge or to make a profit?

Both are noble pursuits, but the time spent to learn must be cost effective if profit is your motive.

 

I just consider that a subset of Mechanical Doubling since it's related to the striking of the planchet rather than manufacture of the die or deterioration of the die.

 

Geez, since I posted my certified 1964 Kennedy Half DDO FS-101, there has been an epidemic of DDO and QDO coins posted, most of which are raw. Please get real, and stop claiming that all the delaminates, and die deteriorating coins are a DDO. NO, you don’t have a rare, one of a kind DDO penny. It is an exfoliating, well-worn common date cent worth face value.

 

While we have some sharp eyed experts on here, what do you think of this 1958 Proof Jefferson? Is it doubling and if so, what kind? I'm at the limits of sharpness for my digital microscope so there's no hope of a sharper image.

Is this a twelve step nickel?

 

it is a 12 step nickel, taking it one day at a time.

 

LOL!

 

That would be "Photographic Doubling" as you mentioned earlier.

(I know you know that, but it is a good example of what some new folks might think is a true doubling, so I'm just saying this as an educational tool for future folk.)

 

I've wondered if there's "proof doubling", and perhaps this is an example. Proof coins are struck more than once. I don't know if I've seen it described anywhere, but you'd think there could be some doubling artifacts from deliberately striking them two or more times.

Like this

 

A true Double Die (spelled correctly for this picture)!!!