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Message:: [QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 2903660, member: 112"]I agree, but then that is just another way of saying the same thing I said - namely that there is no way one can know if black toning is truly terminal or not unless and until you remove it. But that doesn't change the fact that the toning IS black. Are there different shades of black - yes. Are there different kinds of black - yes. Are there different thicknesses of black - yes. But in the end they are all still black. Some try to differentiate by using terms like glossy black and flat black, saying that glossy isn't terminal and that flat is. But in my experience it just isn't always so, though I will readily admit that it is sometimes so. And that, well, that is why I said it the way I said it - you don't know, can't know, until you remove it. And Jeff - fair enough, I shouldn't have said all.[/QUOTE]