Dark money ...

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  1. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Supporter! Supporter

    ... may be bad for politics, but it's welcome in my collection. These coins have glossy black patinas. I like a glossy black patina. Show off your black beauties!

    In no particular order:

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    Gordian III, AD 238-244.
    Roman Æ sestertius, 24.30 gm, 28.7 mm, 12 h.
    Rome, AD 240.
    Obv: IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust, right.
    Rev: LIBERTAS AVG SC, Libertas standing left, holding pileus and scepter.
    Refs: RIC 318a; Cohen 153; RCV 8717; Hunter 147.

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    Gordian III, AD 238-244.
    Roman provincial Æ Pentassarion, 13.30 g, 27.1 mm, 7 h.
    Thrace, Anchialus, AD 238-244.
    Obv: ΑVΤ Κ Μ ΑΝΤ ΓΟΡΔΙΑΝΟC ΑVΓ, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust, right.
    Rev: ΟVΛΠΙΑΝWΝ ΑΓΧΙΑΛΕWΝ, Nude athlete standing facing, head right, holding palm branch and wreath.
    Refs: AMNG II, 632.3, p. 276; Mionnet Suppl. 2, 136; Corpus Nummorum Thracorum 21318.

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    Faustina Senior, AD 138-141.
    Roman orichalcum sestertius, 24.57 g, 32.0 mm.
    Rome, AD 147-161.
    Obv: DIVA FAVSTINA, bare-headed and draped bust, right.
    Rev: AVGVSTA S C, Vesta veiled, standing left, holding palladium and scepter.
    Refs: RIC 1124; BMCRE 1519; RCV 4617.

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    Crispus, AD 316-326.
    Roman billon centenionalis, 3.07 g, 19.3 mm, 11 h.
    Alexandria, AD 325-26.
    Obv: FL IVL CRISPVS NOB CAES, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust, left.
    Rev: PROVIDEN-TIAE CAESS, two-turreted gateway of military camp, star above; SMALA in exergue.
    Refs: RIC vii, p. 709, 35; LRBC I 1403; Cohen 125; RCV 16813.

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    Galeria Valeria, AD 293(?)-311.
    Roman Æ Follis, 26 mm, 6.64 gm.
    Nicomedia mint, 308-310 CE.
    Obv: GAL VAL-ERIA AVG, diademed and draped bust right.
    Rev: VENERI VI-CTRICI CMH, Venus standing facing, head left, holding apple and drapery; in exergue, SMNA.

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    Julia Domna, AD 193-217
    Roman orichalcum dupondius; 10.61 gm, 24.2 mm
    Rome, issue 6, AD 195
    Obv: IVLIA DOMNA AVG, bare-headed and draped bust, right.
    Rev: FECVNDITAS, Fecunditas enthroned right, nursing one child, second child stands before her.
    Refs: RIC 844; BMCRE 494; Cohen 43; Hill 126; RCV 6639
    Notes: Ex Ars Classica VIII, 1924, Bement Collection, lot 1184. Die-match to BMCRE-494, pl. 21.4.
     
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  3. Ryro

    Ryro You'll never be lovelier than you are now... Supporter

    Amazing coins! That Gordian III appears to be made of dark matter:astronaut::blackalien:
    Here's some of my black Betty's:
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  4. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Supporter! Supporter

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  5. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Supporter! Supporter

    I have a couple of black patina coins but this Domitian Ae As is the glossiest. AA_2.jpg
    Claudius Restoration issued under Domitian AE AS, Rome Mint, Ca. 81-82 AD Wt.: 9.6 g
     
  6. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    Sweet patina guys

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    Probus Antoninianus

    IMP CM AVR PROBVS P AVG
    Radiate and cuirassed bust of Probus right

    VIRTVS PROBI AVG - KAΓ in exergue
    Emperor on horseback trampling enemy, a shield in left hand, spear in right. A shield on the ground under the horse.

    Bust type B

    Serdica mint, 280-281 AD
    4th emission, 3rd officina

    3.92g

    RIC 880 (C).

    EF with wonderful smooth dark brown/black glossy patina. Even nicer in hand.

    Ex-Calgary Coin; Ex-George W. La Borde collection

    Published on Probuscoins.fr

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    RIC 0762 Domitian denarius

    IMP CAES DOMIT AVG GERM P M TR P XIII
    Laureate head right

    IMP XXII COS XVI CENS P P P
    Minerva standing right on capital of rostral column, with spear and shield; owl to right (M2).

    Rome, Sept 14 93 AD-Sept 13, 94 AD

    3.40g

    RIC 762 (C3)

    Ex-ANE from an old collection. EF with wonderful dark patina.
     
  7. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian Supporter

    Coming up in my next sale, this Trajan of Antioch, jet black with traces of desert patina. Beautiful!

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  8. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..i have a few nice dark toned coins..one of my favorites is this Herrina Estrucilia Sestertius :) Otacilia sest. new empress coins rocks 002.JPG Otacilia sest. new empress coins rocks 003.JPG
     
  9. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    Good thread!

    That actually leads me to a question: I have serious problems taking good (or even acceptable) pictures of my AE coins with a black or dark brown patina. Believe it or not, the coins below are actually very attractive examples in hand. So, looking at the gorgeous pictures above, I wonder what I am doing wrong. Do you maybe have any advice for me?

    This one if fully black:
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    Maximian (struck under Maxentius), Roman Empire, AE1 ("follis"), 307–308 AD, Ticinum mint. Obv: IMP C MAXIMIANVS P F AVG, head of Maximian, laureate, r. Rev: CONSERV VRB SVAE; Roma seated in hexastyle temple, holding globe and sceptre; in exergue, TT. 27mm, 5.83g. Ref: RIC VI Ticinum 92.


    This one is chocolate brown (but think dark chocolate, the bitter one that goes well with strawberries and Pinot):
    Rom – Konstantin der Große, Stadtprägung, Konstantinopel, Arles.png
    City Commemorative under Constantine I, Roman Empire, AE 3, 332–333 AD, Arles mint. Obv: CONSTANTINOPOLIS; bust of Constantinopolis, laureate, helmeted, wearing imperial cloak, l. holding spear in r. hand. Rev: Victory, winged, draped, standing l. on prow, holding long sceptre in r. hand and resting l. hand on shield; triple branch r.; in exergue, SCONST. Ref: RIC VII Arelate 369.
     
  10. thejewk

    thejewk Well-Known Member

    Marcus Aurelius Caesar Minerva.jpg

    RIC 1264
    AVRELIVS CAESAR AVG PII F COS II
    SC - Minerva standing right, holding spear and resting hand on shield
    26.22 mm, 11.47g
    Ex Justin Lee

    This one is really difficult to capture in a photograph, and I've ended up using the picture from when it was sold at AMCC which is excellent for the detail that it captures, but doesn't capture the black tone and glossy nature of the patina in hand. It positively shines.
     
  11. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    Black is usually defined as the absence of light. Without light, there is no image. If you just add more light to black, the object stops looking black. That tends to look unnatural. However the surface sheen of something black can reflect glare revealing detail and texture. When photographing black coins we need to be sure that glare is placed to show the coin in the best light - or lack of it. Sometimes the best answer is a ringlight which places even light/glare from all sides. In every case we need to move the light or the coin so that the glare is placed in a pleasing place. In hand, we wiggle a coin under the light to see the contours. In a still photo, all we can do is pick one set of glares that we find most pleasing.

    These are my favorite black coins. You are not seeing the coins as much as you are seeing the glare on their surfaces. This is the case with all coin photos (actually, most photos of any subject) to some extent since most require a merge of the color present and the glare. This can be as much of a problem since no glare can make the coin look like it was not metal. Bright shining silver is like black in that you are recording mostly whatever is reflected off of the mirror rather than the mirror itself.

    Caracalla AR dracham, Caesarea
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    Magnentius AE2 Lugdunum mint
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  12. oldfinecollector

    oldfinecollector Well-Known Member

    Patina is a matter of collector culture too , in Europe antics collectors doesn’t like dark patina, even if some of these are great to my opinion, they prefer chocolate and the best is green patina particularly turquoise green.

    a reason about dark patina is not so loved in Europe is that the easiest patina to counterfeit including for forgeries.
     
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  13. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    Black AE's



    Carthage AE Trishekel Tanit Horse 220-215 BCE 2nd Punic War 30mm 19.7g Lot 36.jpg
    Carthage AE Trishekel Tanit Horse 220-215 BCE 2nd Punic War 30mm 19.7g Lot 36


    Carthage AE Trishekel Tanit Horse 220-215 BCE 2nd Punic War 30mm 17.6g Lot 35.jpg
    Carthage AE Trishekel Tanit Horse 220-215 BCE 2nd Punic War 30mm 17.6g Lot 35


    Carthage Zeugitania 400-350 BCE AE 15mm 3.39g Head of Tanit left Horse galloping r SNG Cop 97.JPG
    Carthage Zeugitania 400-350 BCE AE 15mm 3.39g Head of Tanit left Horse galloping r SNG Cop 97


    Carthago Nova SCIPIO Africanus Roman Occupation 209-206 BCE Sear Vol2 6575 Left Rare.jpg
    Carthago Nova SCIPIO Africanus Roman Occupation 209-206 BCE Sear Vol2 6575 Left R


    With a touch of Green Highlite
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    Etruria 3rd C BCE AE 18mm 4.76g Hd African r Elephant r letter below SNG Cop 48 HNI 69 SNG Paris 138-140 SNG Morcom 44 R
     
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  14. oldfinecollector

    oldfinecollector Well-Known Member

    Here one of my Greek one Bruttium

    Scheu, NC (1961), 44; SNG ANS 106; Rutter, HN, 1988.

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  15. oldfinecollector

    oldfinecollector Well-Known Member

    A new one I bought at last CNG live auction, still waiting for it but it is the darker patina I will have in my collection and I hope it is not a porous one as I was the only bidder.

    CIMMERIAN BOSPOROS, Pantikapaion. Circa 310-304/3 BC. Æ (13mm, 1.92 g, 6h). Beardless head of satyr right / Bow in bowcase. Anokhin 1025; MacDonald 72; HGC 4, 135. Black surfaces. Good VF.


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  16. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Coins of Jerusalem Supporter

    All of them are nice but the Gordian III sestertius is my favorite. It reminds me of the anthracite carvings that I saw in West Virginia.

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  17. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Sorry, I don't have any dark money/ but I have some from "Dark Ages":)
    Constans III
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  18. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    Very nice black beauties, all!

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  19. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    A dark dupondius.

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    Æ Dupondius, 12.14g
    Eastern Mint (Thrace?), 81 AD
    Obv: IMP D CAES DIVI VESP F AVG P M TR P P P COS VII; Head of Domitian, radiate, bearded, r.
    Rev: ROMA; S C in exergue; Roma std. l. on cuirass, with wreath and parazonium
    RIC 833 (R). BMC 513. RPC 528. BNC 549.
    Ex eBay, July 2019.
     
  20. Gary R. Wilson

    Gary R. Wilson ODERINT, DUM METUANT — CALIGULA

    Here's one with brassy highlights:

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    Caligula (Augustus)
    Coin: Brass Sestertius
    C•CAESAR•AVG•GERMANICVS•PON•M•TR•POT - Laureate head left
    S•P•Q•R / P•P / OB•CIVES / SERVATOS - Legend within wreath
    Mint: Rome (37-38AD)
    Wt./Size/Axis: 23.74g / 33mm / 180
    Rarity: Rare
    References:
    RIC I 37
    BMCRE 38
    Cohen 24
    MIR 3, 12-4
    BN 50
    Provenances:
    WallinMynt (SE)
    Acquisition/Sale: WallinMynt (SE) MA Shops-internet $0.00 10/17

    The Gary R. Wilson Collection
     
  21. oldfinecollector

    oldfinecollector Well-Known Member

    Beautiful but Dark Age is not the right word as Byzantium coinage is part of the oriental Roman Empire as center Constantinople And the dark age is in Northern Europe.
     
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