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<p>[QUOTE="raider34, post: 1107657, member: 16402"]Yes, but my argument is the 1964-D Peace dollar is not an "original numismatic item". Look again at the wording:</p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #000000"><br /></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #000000">I don't argue the overstruck coins are "genuine numismatic items", they are, but they are reasonably purporting to be a 1964-D Peace Dollar (Which under section f of the terms defined, doesn't meet the requirements for a "original numismatic item"). </span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #000000"><br /></span></p><p> </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I agree the wording is up to interpretation. My main point to Medoraman was the Hobby Protection Act was the problem, because the wording has created a loophole (at least you could see the reasonable argument for one). </p><p><br /></p><p>I did consider the broader interpretation of the second definition, but if they intend for a broad definition why did they include "which has been used in exchange or has been used to commemorate a person, object, place, or event."? It could have simply been left as </p><p><br /></p><p>Original numismatic item means anything which has been a part of a coinage or issue. Such term includes coins, tokens, paper money, and commemorative medals.</p><p><br /></p><p>If that was the definition, then the Peace dollars would fall under the requirement, but the 2009 Proof ASE, would not. </p><p><br /></p><p>Because we're dealing with specific cases, I decided to use them in the definition of an "original numismatic item" and see if they met the criteria. </p><p><br /></p><p>Was the 1964-D Peace Dollar "<b>part of a coinage or issue which has been used in exchange or has been used to commemorate a person, object, place, or event</b>. Such term includes coins, tokens, paper money, and commemorative medals."</p><p><br /></p><p>Was the 2009 Proof ASE "<b>part of a coinage or issue which has been used in exchange or has been used to commemorate a person, object, place, or event</b>. Such term includes coins, tokens, paper money, and commemorative medals." <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #000000"></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #000000">In both cases (with my interpretation of the wording), the coins do not fit the definition. I understand you could argue on a broad scale that Peace Dollars and ASE fall under the definition, and therefore any coin, no matter the date/mm, would require the copy stamp. </span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #000000"><br /></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #000000">In the case of the 1895-P Proof dollar, I believe it would meet the requirement for used in exchange, because it was exchanged (sold) by the mint. This would be the same for all Proof versions of coinage. </span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #000000"><br /></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #000000">So for everyone arguing against there legality, I'm not saying your wrong and I'm right; I'm saying your right and I'm right, and that is because the wording of the Hobby Protection Act is flawed. </span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #000000"><br /></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #000000"><br /></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #000000"><br /></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #000000"><br /></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #000000"><br /></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #000000"><br /></span></p><p>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="raider34, post: 1107657, member: 16402"]Yes, but my argument is the 1964-D Peace dollar is not an "original numismatic item". Look again at the wording: [LEFT][COLOR=#000000] I don't argue the overstruck coins are "genuine numismatic items", they are, but they are reasonably purporting to be a 1964-D Peace Dollar (Which under section f of the terms defined, doesn't meet the requirements for a "original numismatic item"). [/COLOR][/LEFT] I agree the wording is up to interpretation. My main point to Medoraman was the Hobby Protection Act was the problem, because the wording has created a loophole (at least you could see the reasonable argument for one). I did consider the broader interpretation of the second definition, but if they intend for a broad definition why did they include "which has been used in exchange or has been used to commemorate a person, object, place, or event."? It could have simply been left as Original numismatic item means anything which has been a part of a coinage or issue. Such term includes coins, tokens, paper money, and commemorative medals. If that was the definition, then the Peace dollars would fall under the requirement, but the 2009 Proof ASE, would not. Because we're dealing with specific cases, I decided to use them in the definition of an "original numismatic item" and see if they met the criteria. Was the 1964-D Peace Dollar "[B]part of a coinage or issue which has been used in exchange or has been used to commemorate a person, object, place, or event[/B]. Such term includes coins, tokens, paper money, and commemorative medals." Was the 2009 Proof ASE "[B]part of a coinage or issue which has been used in exchange or has been used to commemorate a person, object, place, or event[/B]. Such term includes coins, tokens, paper money, and commemorative medals." [LEFT][COLOR=#000000] In both cases (with my interpretation of the wording), the coins do not fit the definition. I understand you could argue on a broad scale that Peace Dollars and ASE fall under the definition, and therefore any coin, no matter the date/mm, would require the copy stamp. In the case of the 1895-P Proof dollar, I believe it would meet the requirement for used in exchange, because it was exchanged (sold) by the mint. This would be the same for all Proof versions of coinage. So for everyone arguing against there legality, I'm not saying your wrong and I'm right; I'm saying your right and I'm right, and that is because the wording of the Hobby Protection Act is flawed. [/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/LEFT][/QUOTE]
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